13-10-2002 07:15									#1
	Orders for 580 AD --Need by Monday Night-- Put an end to popups!

Alright...I'm doing a turnchat Tuesday. Probably in the morning US time. Because of this and because some people in the past have planned to give orders at the last minute but then something came up.

I plan to play at least 5 turns. If I don't have an order from a minister during these 5 turns, I'll use my best judgement which might not be that good.

I also want to play Friday morning, which would be technically during term 5. I'd like thoughts on that.

	13-10-2002 07:40									#2
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Both times are perfect for your SMC, I am available from as early as you need until later I am free all mornings. This is the big upgrade chat for me too(i figure 5 upgrades,all or most in macross city).
Aggie

	13-10-2002 07:49									#3
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It will probably be at around 8 AM central (13 GMT).

	13-10-2002 14:27									#4
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I can be there, but I wont be able to use the computer that can run Civ & Chat at the same time (without problems). I'll try to get the orders done. but I can't promice it. I was up all Friday night getting the build queue completed and annotated. I had hoped for an additional day to go over everything, but I'll see what I can do.

	13-10-2002 16:04									#5
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Apoc, the time is excellent and so is your suggestion to do another turnchat this Friday. Our experience tells us that new administrations take some time to organize themselves and things often start ticking later than they should. Doing the last Term IV turnchat this Friday would compensate for this and give the new administration some room to breath and prepare for their first turnchat.

	14-10-2002 01:34									#6
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I should be able to make the turnchat. ET, if you need assitance (or critizism ), I'll be there.

	14-10-2002 03:47									#7
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I can most likely make it. So you'll have at least two FAM people.

	14-10-2002 04:59									#8
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I definitely have class during these chats, and the time for the orders is a little pressure. All ministers PLEASE get your requests to me BEFORE the last minute!

MoE Reddawg~

	14-10-2002 06:40									#9
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Work. Not a chance in hell of me being there to finish out my term. Sorry. Same for friday.

I will do my orders tonight, but probably will not be able to post until the last minute.

Reddawg - as it will be last minute, please let me know a $ amount I may spend, primarily to get temples and courthouses up for my successor, along with a good defence in our cities.

Thanks all. If for some resion I am not posting orders(have had lots of problems lately) I would kindly ask donegeal of Pina Colada province to assist and step in for me.

Regarding fridays chat, any chance of waiting til saturday or sunday? I doubt I will have a chance to do orders, but will do my best.

Thanks again.

GK

	14-10-2002 06:45									#10
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Saturday I am going to a UofH/Army football game.

Sunday we might as well let MWIA handle it.

	14-10-2002 07:10									#11
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Crap. For some reason, the save is not working for me. I just replaced the hard drive in my computer (bad gel, lost many sectors and lots of crap) and the save is not working. I am using both the 1.21 and 1.29 patches, and that is not the fault....

E_T looks to win the election, and as he did such a good job last time, I asked him if he would mind subbing in. Hopefully this is just some stray electron or something....

GK

	14-10-2002 07:28									#12
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Crap. For some reason, the save is not working for me. I just replaced the hard drive in my computer (bad gel, lost many sectors and lots of crap) and the save is not working. I am using both the 1.21 and 1.29 patches, and that is not the fault.... E_T looks to win the election, and as he did such a good job last time, I asked him if he would mind subbing in. Hopefully this is just some stray electron or something.... GK

Bad electron, bad..... I hope you get it fixed without any major losses.

I'll be getting the orders ready asap. With the queue already lined up, I shouldn't take too long to get it togeather, I hope.

E_T

	14-10-2002 07:31									#13
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The orders are done, but haven't been double checked, so their might be errors.


General stuff:

In the Orders, WF refers to Work force allocation/placement. See this image:

For further explanation on this, see this post.


Special WF orders during the turnchat:
If Ivory Trade is renewed, change the following:
Del Monte - WF to 3-4-7-8-14-15-19.
Gaia - WF to 2-3-4-5-6-7-8-11 + 1 Ent.
Here It Is - WF to 2-3-4-5-9-12-20 + 1 Tax.

If during the turnchat, any workers that finish tasks that would benifit Production, Trade or Food (in that order of priority, with corruption/waste in mind) increase in a city (cleared jungle, mine or road built, etc.), please change WF allocation to fit the situation. Please, also keep in mind, that some cities (Uber Island mostly) are having to maintain a delicate balance between growth & time of build completions. We will be rushing things somewhat, but Some items I don't want to have to rush too soon (because of impending Disorder because a city grew too fast).


Rushes:
Emergency:
None per Reddawg

Needed:
None per Reddawg

Throughput:
None per Reddawg



Turn 0 (580 AD):

Current Build & Queue additions/changes:
Apolyton - Add Harbor to Queue.
Contaginon - Change queue to Cath-Market-FORBIDDEN PLACE-Lib
Tessagrad - Add Longbow to Queue.
Antioch - Add Cath to Queue.
Bacteria - Add Cath to Queue.
Seeburg - Add Wealth to Queue (this a space holder, used for something that we can’t currently build, i.e. Uni or Bank. To be changed soon).
Ubergorsk - Add Cath to Queue.
New York - Add Cath to Queue.
Another Glorious City - Add Spear to Queue
Oak Ridge - Add Wealth as a place holder in Queue.
Boom Town - Add Worker to Queue.
HoleinWall - Discussion duriong Turnchat

WF allocations:
Del Monte - WF to 3-4-7-8-14-15 + 1 Tax
this city should be in Zero Growth after coming out of Disorder, If it still has any food surplus, please change position #15 to 19
Gaia - WF to 2-3-4-5-7-8-11 + 1 Tax + 1 Ent
Termina - WF to 3-4-6-11-12-19. Growth is Zero, but is size limited.
New York - WF to 1-4-5-8.
Boom Town - WF to 4-8 + 1 Tax. Will be Zero Growth.
Site E - Change WF to 7-18.

Planned Rushes:
None



Turn 1 (590 AD)

WF allocations:
Contagion (grows to size 6) - WF to 4-5-9-10-12-15
Macross City (Grows to 11) - WF to 1-2-3-4-6-7-8-14-13-17 + 1 Sci
Willsbury (Grows to size 6) - WF to 2-3-6-8-10-14.
Bacteria, (Grows to size 3) - WF to 2-3-7
New York (Borders Expand) - WF to 1-4-5-8
Oak Ridge (Grows to size 4) - WF to 4-5-6-14.
HoleinWall (grows to size3) WF to 3-11 + 1 Tax.

Planned Rushes:
None.



Turn 2 (600AD)

WF allocations:
Tessagrad (Grows to Size 7) - IF WE HAVE IVORY: WF to 1-4-5-6-14-15-17, if not, WF to 1-4-5-6-15-17 + 1 Tax. This city will be in Zero Growth without Ivory.
Antioch (borders Expand) - WF to 6-8.
Tarsus (Grows to Size 7) - IF WE HAVE IVORY: WF to 2-3-6-7-8-13-16, if not, WF to 2-3-7-8-13-16 + 1 Tax. This city will be in Zero Growth without Ivory.
Ubergorsk (Grows to size 5) - WF to 2-3-8-12-20. Will be Zero growth until some more Jungle is cleared.
BFM (grows to size 3) - WF to 9-15 + 1 Tax.
Muncie (grows to size 5) - WF: check to see if 2-3-4-6-18 produce more than 1 Shield, if so, keep that WF. If not WF to 2-3-4-5-11.

Planned Rushes:
None



Turn 3 (610 AD)

WF allocations:
Contagion (grows to size 7) - IF WE HAVE IVORY: WF to 4-5-7-9-10-12-15, if not, WF to 4-5--9-10-12-15 + 1 Tax
Termina - Market completed, change WF to 2-3-4-5-8-19. Next in Queue is worker, TOC 2 turns.
Tessagrad - IF WE HAVE IVORY: WF to 1-4-5-14-15-16-17, if not, WF to 1-4-5-15-16-17 + 1 Tax. This city will be in Zero Growth without Ivory.
Apolyton - WF to 2-6-7-13-15-19.
Antioch (grows to size 3) - WF: check to see if 2-4-6 produce more than 1 Shield, if so, keep that WF. If not WF to 6-8-12
Another Glorious City (grow to size 3)- WF to 2-5 + 1 Tax. Will have Zero Growth, until connected.
Site E (grows to size 3) - Change WF to 7-18 + 1 Tax

Planned Rushes:
None



Turn 4 (620AD)

WF allocations:
Timeline (Grows to size 8) - Market will be completed. WF to 1-2-3-4-5-6-19-20. Wrk next in Queue, TOC 2 turns.
Tessagrad - If not rushed, Galley completed. No WF changes. Market next in Queue, TOC 13 turns w/o Ivory; 12 with Ivory.
Bacteria (Borders Expand) - WF to 2-3-7. The Worker building a mine on the Incense might be complete by this time, If Production is increased with WF as 1-2-3, then change, Zero growth is o.k. for now.
Napoleton (grows to size 5) - WF to 6-7-9-11-17. Will have Zero Growth until Cleared tiles are Irrigated.
Ghengistown (grows to size 4) - Temple completed, WF to 5-6-7-8. Marketplace next in Queue, TOC 25 turns.
City on a Hill (grows to size 3) - WF to 1-2-5. Will be Zero Growth until Jungle cleared or Borders Expand (Temple is still 15 turns away).

Planned Rushes:
None.


E_T

Last edited by E_T on 15-10-2002 at 10:25

	14-10-2002 12:17									#14
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Orders for Public Works



Here are the orders for public works for 580 AD. Nothing really important to note, I'm off to school now. Let me know if you need anything, I'll be back later tonight and I'll update my orders a final time if needed.





580 AD

• Seeburg: Worker stack waiting for orders. Move SE, E
• New York: Worker S waiting for orders. Mine tile.


• Tassagrad: Workers W waiting for ordes, mine tile.


• Opiadom: Workers SE, SE waiting for orders, clear jungle.


• Port Rogue: Worker NW, build road.


• Boom Town: Worker SW, S, move S


• Boom Town: Worker SE, S (near lake), build road.

Last edited by WhiteBandit on 14-10-2002 at 22:42

	14-10-2002 13:45									#15
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Excellent. Tuesday, October 15th, 2002, 13:00 GMT, right ?

	14-10-2002 18:08									#16
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No chance I'll be able to make that one . Good luck though.

-- adaMada

	15-10-2002 00:06									#17
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I will not be present Tuesday morning.

Specific Orders:

THIS TURN 580:
none

590
Map sale:
Trade TM for WM and max gold to the following nations: Aztecs, France, England, Babylon, Persia, and Rome.
Sell our WM for WM and max gold to Iriquois.

Tech sale:
RENEGOTIATE dye trade with Greeks. Give them dyes, our WM, and lowest possible gold. (300g [+/- 18g] and GPT the rest) for Banking and their WM.
Trade Russia Banking, WM, and lowest possible gold for Gunpowder.

Another map sale:
Sell our WM to Germany for their WM and max gold.

Lux sale:
Sell or Renegotiate with Germany for dyes. Get max profit.

600
610
620


General Orders:

Lux Trading:
Hold dyes to Rome and sell if they will ever offer >60g for dyes.

Tech Trades:
Check on the Aztecs, France, Iriquois, Russia, and Babylon occasionally to see if they have any techs to trade with us. Make purchase if possible.

Sell Music Theory if anyone will offer >50g for it.

Tech aquisition priority = Astronomy.

Buy any tech if the price is < 500g

Treaties:
none at this time

Do not sign any ROPs or alliances.

Demands: (Give in only if demand is semi-reasonable)
E. Give in: Rome.
F. Refuse: Greece, England, Persia, Germany, France, Aztecs, America, Russia, Babylon, Iroquois.


All things left unstated in turnthreads/chats are for Presidential or Public decision. All things specified must be followed unless surprise events have made the orders illogical, harmful, or inappropriate. In that situation the President should end turnthread/chat if any major decision needs to be taken and no representative from the Ministry is present to make the decision. If only a minor decision, the President may use his discretion to change the orders so that they are logical, beneficial, and appropriate.

--Togas.

Last edited by Togas on 15-10-2002 at 09:38

	15-10-2002 02:02									#18
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ORIGINALLY POSTED BY REDDWAG.

Ministry of Economy orders:

1. Regarding the joint Foreign Ministry/ City Planner plan:
Due to the necessity of this plan, which will obtain for us two techs, and at a much lower cost than if we simply bought them, the full amount will be awarded in the amount of 900 gold, to be taken from direct treasury funds or through per/turn deals, as needed.

2. Regarding the SMC plan:
Due to the promptness of the plan, and the desire to maintain our military despite peace time, the full amount is to be awarded in the amount of exactly 500 gold for the upgrading of 5 war chariots, to be taken straight out of the treasury.

3. Regarding the City Planner plan:
Due to the fact that the above plan #1 has been given to me as a join plan along with the Foreign Minister, and the fact that this request came last, it is impossible to meet the demands at this time. The 316 gold requested for various rushes during this turnchat will have to rollover to a later date.

	15-10-2002 02:51									#19
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Thanks E_T

(PM box cleaned out now.....)

	15-10-2002 03:49									#20
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I've decided to have it at 13:30 GMT (8:30 central). I want to give myself enough time to get all the orders in order and to make sure I'm awake.

	15-10-2002 06:26									#21
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Here are my orders.
580 AD(Turn 0)
Per defense request from cp three knights from arbela to Contagion
Pike near BHQ nw,n,nw
Galley e,s,s

590 AD(Turn 1)
Pike near Gaia nw,nw,nw
Galley e,s,w

600 AD(Turn 2)
Pike near Delmonte n,nw,w
Galley se,s,w

610 AD(Turn 3)
Pike near Delmonte w,nw,nw
Galley se,s,w

620 AD(Turn 4)
Pike fortify in Chiquita
Galley s,s,w

630 AD(Turn 5)
Galley s,w,n

Aggie

Last edited by Aggie on 15-10-2002 at 07:31

	15-10-2002 08:59									#22
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If another settler is built on Uber Isle it needs to found city site A. The settler heading for the Chicago/Washington gap is founding a city DIRECTLY on the incense resource and the settler formerly known as Chartres is founding a city right where it is standing at.

Attachment: uberthree.gif
This has been downloaded 44 time(s).

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 15-10-2002 at 09:11

	15-10-2002 09:09									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse I've decided to have it at 13:30 GMT (8:30 central). I want to give myself enough time to get all the orders in order and to make sure I'm awake.

You may as well make it a turnthread. Is there anyone who can make that??

That's 6:30am my time, by the way.

--Togas

	15-10-2002 10:01									#24
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ET and I are going to make it. Hell, the extra 30 is going to do us good....

	15-10-2002 17:06									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Togas You may as well make it a turnthread. Is there anyone who can make that?? That's 6:30am my time, by the way.

This is basically the only time I can do it. I want to start early so that I can be sure to finish 5 turns.

	15-10-2002 17:26									#26
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thank you for putting my orders in here OPD, I realized this morning I hadn't done that... ok good luck everyone, I'm off to class

	15-10-2002 17:28									#27
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I'll try to make it. Is the chat open now?

	15-10-2002 17:50									#28
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The chat will stat in about 40 minutes. I just finished copying all the orders to a word file and printing them out. If you have made any changes inbetween now and the chat, tell me in the chat.

I am going to watch some TV now. I will be back.