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Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Hmm, let's go through all the influential Greek composers...

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Ya got me.

Oh wait: Yanni!

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or the americans for that matter

madona


and the americans didnt create the western civ either

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I voted for Mozart because Tchaikovsky was left out of the list. Who can forget the person that composed the Nutcracker Ballet.

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Ooh! Ooh! I know! :raises hand in air:

Monkspider!!!!

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Sorry, sorry! When creating these polls, one has an unfortunate habit to leave out some of the most obvious choices. For example, i once left out Alexander on a greatest military leader of all time quiz, and with all the greeks here, I never heard the end of it.


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Yeah, those Greeks sure are a trolling bunch, aren't they??

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I like Berlioz

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Tell me about it.

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I mean, there's like only 2 of them on this board and all they do is troll.

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I joined the Bach crowd

However, personally I like Händel a lot. I canīt really say why - Iīm just another one of those "amateur classical conniseurs"

I never tried out Brahms so far - whats the best of his composings to begin with?

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i voted for beethoven..but i had a hard time deciding as i REALLY love ravel...
kass, saint-saens wrote Danse MAcabre....a very very awesome tune...
monk: i can't believe you left off tchaikovsky!

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I'M SORRY BORIS… I JUST CAN'T IGNORE MY EMOTIONS THAT WAY!!!
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I voted for Mozart because Tchaikovsky was left out of the list. Who can forget the person that composed the Nutcracker Ballet.


Ah the Nutcracker...the piece Tchaikovsky himself decried as the worst piece of drivel he ever wrote.

Don't worry monkie...I, at least, won't harp on his omission from the list.

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I joined the Bach crowd

However, personally I like Händel a lot. I canīt really say why - Iīm just another one of those "amateur classical conniseurs"

I never tried out Brahms so far - whats the best of his composings to begin with?


Well, it depends on what genres you prefer.

I had the privelege of being able to sing in his Ein Deutsches Requiem when I was in college, which was my introduction to his music. But that's a long, rather intense piece for first aquaintance.

The pieces monkie mentioned are his most well-known and probably good starting points:

Hungarian Dance No. 5
Lullaby
Waltz in A flat
Academic Festival Overture.

Beyond that, there are some great chamber works to check out:

Piano Quintet in F Minor
String Quintet No. 2
Clarinet Quintet

Piano works:

Op. 116-119
Piano Concerto no. 2 (the best of its kind)

And beyond these are the "larger" works which are more complex and require a bit more listening dedication. Since the requiem was his first large-scale work, I'd start with that. Next are the symphonies, the last great classical symphonies written. I'd say listen to them in order (there are only 4). However, they're order of quality are:

No. 4 (Esp. mvts 2 and 4)
No. 1 (Esp. mvts 1 and 4)
No. 3 (Esp. mvts 1 and 3)
No. 2 (Esp. mvt 1)

And then there is the plethora of motets and other choral works, like the Alto Rhapsody and Nanie.

Finally, check out his Lieder (the Thomas Quasthoff CD is superb as an introduction)

Oh, and then there are his two greatest orchestral works outside of the symphonies: Variations on a Theme by Haydn and the Tragic Overture.

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Don't worry monkie...I, at least, won't harp on his omission from the list.


You're a sweetie Boris.

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Boris, Can I ask you 2 things?

What do you think of Mahler? (he is my favorite composer)

And, do you remember your thread about opera music?
Why havent you included Kiri Te Kanawa as a recommended soprano?

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german composers are overated they anit worth a damn


Our resident Thersites gibbers imprecations simianly at his betters...

http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Thersites.html

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Molly--We all know patty is a troll, best to ignore him so he doesn't ruin another thread.

Plan--Mahler is terrific, he should have been on the list. His symphonies 1, 5 and 8 in particular are fantastic, as is Das Lied von der Erde.

Te Kanawa--what can I say? She's very good, I just wouldn't put her at the top. Her voice is lovely, her singing superb. I guess it's just the expression that's missing, for me. She's great in roles where you can get away being passive and bland (The Countess in Figaro, Desdemona in Otello), but unconvincing in anything requiring fire. She doesn't have much oomph, I suppose.

Rumor has it she is a rather dim bulb, but that doesn't really matter (especially since I had Zinka "If-Only-Her-Tits-Were-Brains" Milanov on the list!).

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i voted for beethoven..but i had a hard time deciding as i REALLY love ravel...
kass, saint-saens wrote Danse MAcabre....a very very awesome tune...
monk: i can't believe you left off tchaikovsky!


I've never been a big Ravel fan (he's another I would have left off the list), but that could be because I despise Bolero so much...

As for Saint-Saens, if you would like to check out some of his other pieces, I'd recommend looking for the following:

Carnival of the Animals
"Bacchanale" from Samson & Delilah
Symphony No. 3 in C Minor "Organ" (Esp. last movement)

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boris: try ravel's "String quartet in F Major - 2nd Mvt."
THAT is my fav Ravel piece...and yes...i've heard the carnival of the animals...
what about Mussorgky??? Pictures at an Exhibition and Night on Bald Mountain are timeless classics
my fav piano piece is Chopin's "Rainsdrop Prelude"...however...and you might want to shoot me for this...i like movie soundtracks...i love danny elfman cd's....and (i don't know the composer) the sndtrck to RObin HOod Prince of Theives always makes me shiver

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boris: try ravel's "String quartet in F Major - 2nd Mvt."
THAT is my fav Ravel piece...


Oh, I'm familiar with other Ravel works. I just have such an incredible animosity over Bolero. Grrrrr.

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And Boris Godunov!

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Thanks for your comments on "Boris Godunov", Boris. The way you describe it certainly picked my curiosity, and I'd like to see it when I have the opportunity.

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Yeah Paiktis, greek composers rulz

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Well, it depends on what genres you prefer.

I had the privelege of being able to sing in his Ein Deutsches Requiem when I was in college, which was my introduction to his music. But that's a long, rather intense piece for first aquaintance.

The pieces monkie mentioned are his most well-known and probably good starting points:

Hungarian Dance No. 5
Lullaby
Waltz in A flat
Academic Festival Overture.

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Thanks for the advice

And paiktis, canīt you direct your trollings against the Turks or the French?

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I think it comes down to a bare-knuckle fight between Bach and Beethoven.

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Bach would take him, easily.

If Beethoven even looked like he was winning, one of Bach's sons would join in and start whompin' on ole deafy.

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Yep, and Karl Beethoven would join in, ungrateful brat that he was.

And if that didn't work, Johann Sebastian 'twenty kids' sh@gmonster would have no problems taunting old Ludwig into submission...

oh yes, the music. Right. Music...

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so what would u guys recomend for the casual classical listener?

i know (and love) some of the really famous works, beethoven's 5th, 1812 overture, ride of the valkyries... but i'm not too familiar with composers like bach or about half of those on the poll

 
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