17-10-2002 01:11									#1
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I don't mean to seem like a Boris-fanboy, but Brahms really is the best.

You can't argue with good stuff like

Hungarian Dance 1
Hungarian Dance 5
Lullaby
Academic Festival Overture
Waltz in A-Flat
Symphony I

Etc etc

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	17-10-2002 01:19									#2
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Sibelius!

	17-10-2002 01:19									#3
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Wagner!

	17-10-2002 01:20									#4
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No, monky. Brahms is my favorite, but Bach is the indisputable God of Western Music. All bow before his might.

And Sibelius is damn cool, yes.

	17-10-2002 01:21									#5
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I don't mean to seem like a Boris-fanboy, but Brahms really is the best. You can't argue with good stuff like Hungarian Dance 1 Hungarian Dance 5 Lullaby Academic Festival Overture Waltz in A-Flat Symphony I Etc etc

Gack!

SYMPHONY No. 4 IS NOT AN ETC.!!!!!

	17-10-2002 01:22									#6
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Sorry I left Sibelius off, I was a bit pressed with only 24 choices.

	17-10-2002 01:24									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Gack! SYMPHONY No. 4 IS NOT AN ETC.!!!!!

Sorry Boris, I have always been a bit more partial to his first symphony. It did take him 21 years to finish it after all.

	17-10-2002 01:26									#8
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Oh, and not to nitpick, but here's changes I would make on the list:

Drop Grieg, Saint-Saens and Rimsky-Korsakov and replace them with Mussorgsky, Monteverdi and Bizet.

	17-10-2002 01:28									#9
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Saint-Saens? Who the heck is that? Rimsky-Korsakov? Never heard.

Sibelius!

	17-10-2002 01:30									#10
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Sorry Boris, I have always been a bit more partial to his first symphony. It did take him 21 years to finish it after all.

Symphony No. 4 is the epitome of his symphonic works, and the last of the truly great classical symphonies ever written. Unquestionably his greatest symphonic piece (not counting Ein Deutsches Requiem, ANOTHER glaring omission!)

	17-10-2002 01:34									#11
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wheres my countryman Tchaikovsky!

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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Saint-Saens? Who the heck is that? Rimsky-Korsakov? Never heard. Sibelius!

Not knowing Saint-Saens is understandable, he was second-rate.

Not knowing Rimsky-Korsakov is a little harder to fathom. Scheharazade and The Flight of the Bumblebee are pretty well-known.

	17-10-2002 01:37									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Symphony No. 4 is the epitome of his symphonic works, and the last of the truly great classical symphonies ever written. Unquestionably his greatest symphonic piece (not counting Ein Deutsches Requiem, ANOTHER glaring omission!)

Argh, you're always so intimidating to talk classical with Boris. You are just too much for us amatuer classical conniseurs.



BTW, I'll still take Grieg over Mussorgsky any day.

	17-10-2002 01:38									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Caesar the Great wheres my countryman Tchaikovsky!

Hack.

(but yeah, I guess he should be there. )

	17-10-2002 01:39									#15
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Ack, I can't believe i left Tchaikovsky off. That *IS* a horrible ommission. I had every intention of putting him on there, but it just slipped my mind.
A pity we can't edit polls.

	17-10-2002 01:42									#16
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider BTW, I'll still take Grieg over Mussorgsky any day.

Blasphemer!

Grieg is known for one section of one piece of music he did.

That hardly compares to the contributions of Mussorgsky, which include two perrenial concert warhorses--Pictures at an Exhibition and Night on Bald Mountain, as well as Russia's undisputed greatest opera, Boris Godunov

	17-10-2002 01:46									#17
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You have also left out the great Prokofiev !!!

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quote: The Flight of the Bumblebee

Agh, one of my favourites.

	17-10-2002 01:55									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus You have also left out the great Prokofiev !!!

No he didn't...look between Strauss [um, monky, which Strauss, anyway?] and Stravinsky.

	17-10-2002 01:56									#20
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At least you had enough sense to leave out those atonal buttwipes, ala Schoenberg, Weber, etc.

Bach gets my vote as "greatest", though Mozart is my favorite.

	17-10-2002 02:17									#21
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I like Stravinsky. He was the first to really start making some awesome dissonant stuff.

	17-10-2002 02:21									#22
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike I like Stravinsky. He was the first to really start making some awesome dissonant stuff.

Dissonance was used quite awesomely as far back as music has existed, actually. Monteverdi's motets were full of it. Bach also had infinite creative ways to incorporate dissonance into his works.

In fact, music theory is built upon the relationships of consonances and dissonances. You can't really have one without the other effectively (consonance without dissonance would be an overly-simplistic nursery rhyme, and dissonance without consonance would be atonalism, which is a failed musical movement).

	17-10-2002 02:23									#23
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Well, I was referring to Johann Strauss II, but since I didn't specify it can be used as a blanket category for all the Strauss'.

	17-10-2002 02:26									#24
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Harumph. The only Strauss who deserves to be on the list is Richard.

	17-10-2002 02:29									#25
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Liszt... There was none finer.

	17-10-2002 02:31									#26
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Bollocks, Johann composed "Die Fledermaus ".

What do you think is the best classical music record label Bori?

	17-10-2002 02:34									#27
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How could you leave out Tchaikovsky?

	17-10-2002 02:36									#28
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I know, I know, it was horrible of me. My apologies Herr Dr.

	17-10-2002 02:42									#29
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quote: Dissonance was used quite awesomely as far back as music has existed, actually. Monteverdi's motets were full of it. Bach also had infinite creative ways to incorporate dissonance into his works.

True, but The Rite of Spring was a little different than what had been done before. I guess I should have clarified. Obviously "dissonance" has and always has existed in music, but Stravinsky in The Rite of Spring used it in an incredibly powerful way that hadn't been heard before.

I guess I just really like that piece and that's why I voted for him. Just one guys opinion.

	17-10-2002 02:50									#30
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I'd have to go with Gustav Holst, but since he isn't there, Dvorak. His New World Symphony was great.

Second, would be Grieg. I love the fourth movement of the Peer Gynt Suite #1. The drama, the suspense!

But Holst mainly. Nothing like the sound of that brass in Mars.