22-10-2002 05:27									#31
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I never cheat. Unless of course I accidentaly slip and move something the wrong way. Of course, sometimes I don't even reload then (especially if the unit ends up on a mountain square where they could halt the enemy's advance).

If I screw up, I like to try to devise some solution to the problem I've created. Nobody's perfect, so I don't expect myself to be making perfect decisions, or to be immune to stupid decisions.

If anything, I'd restart. Since I don't have much time on my hands these days, I definitely don't have time to be playing out a game where I have no chance at all of victory of some sort (though of course I do want to need to think, be worked and be pushed hard to get to this victory).

	22-10-2002 06:37									#32
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quote: Originally posted by georges bonbon In the beginning I wait a turn before taking a goody hut if the goody hut produces barbarians. (I prefer to wait for scientific advances).

Maybe it's because I've only just moved up to Regent, but I almost prefer to get at least one Barbarian hut early...

Why?
It's an _almost_ guaranteed Elite Warrior. Not for the Leader potential, but for the extra 2 hitpoints.
I read somewhere else that any unit that gets attacked more than once in a round automatically gets promoted, and my personal experience has seen that I always end up with an elite at the end of a 3 barb hut, because they always attack on the same round.

Naturally, if I got a conscript warrior out of a hut, he's usually toast, but a regular, if he survives, is always Elite after that.

I always seem to be able to trade for all the first rank techs anyway.


But like I said, I'm on my first Regent game and am playing Small, hoping to finish sometime this year, so restarting for a tech at that point probably makes sense at higher levels.


Oh, and my poll answer was "Never".

	22-10-2002 07:40									#33
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Well I would go along if you, except for the idea of it occuring most of the time. First my warrior does not always win the fights. When he does, it will nearly always make at least vet and now and then make elite. This is if I am a mil civ. Before 129F, it seemed a bit higher odds, but I could be wrong on that part.

	22-10-2002 09:10									#34
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I only reload if I hit the wrong button or foget to do something.

I like the idea that someone mentioned above about partiy between the human and the AI. That means that the human shouldn't have to suffer because of forgetting to do something or hitting the wrong button, because the AI wouldn't do that. Following the same general principle, the human should never reload because of a tactical error or unpredictable random event, because the AI can't do that.

	22-10-2002 09:32									#35
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Seems reasonable to JohnM2433. Unless you never have to go to the phone, table, toilet.

	22-10-2002 09:49									#36
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I don't cheat often. Least not as far as reloading and such goes. If I declare war and I start losing big time, even if I've been in that particular game for a long long time and have invested a lot of my time in it, I'll just abandon it and start a new game. Needless to say, I don't finish many games.

	22-10-2002 13:30									#37
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm Because of this I may lose more often than some.

What are your averages? How many times do you start a game and how many times can you finish it?

	22-10-2002 13:33									#38
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack OTOH, I quite often quit a game, if it is not going well for me...

Averages of "quite often"?

	22-10-2002 13:36									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski The closest I come to cheating is reloading if planting a spy makes the other Civ declare war. That just annoys me for some reason.

I really wonder if we are the only ones.

	22-10-2002 13:38									#40
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quote: Originally posted by LordAzreal If anything, I'd restart.

So what did you vote?

	22-10-2002 14:12									#41
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quote: Originally posted by georges bonbon quote: Originally posted by vondrack OTOH, I quite often quit a game, if it is not going well for me... but I never restart the same map. I simply start a new game... Averages of "quite often"?

In the very beginning, it was like 9 out of 10 games... The AI kept beating me over and over on Regent... After learning a lot by trial and error and by following the discussions here, I moved to Monarch and now, I guess it is about every other or every third game that I quit because of not enjoying it as much as I would wish (it does not necessarily mean I am losing... just that the game is not as much fun as I would like... usually, it is because of the map... often, it is because I leave the game for two or three weeks and when I come back I can't remember what my plans once were... and the... "emotional tie" to that very game is broken... ).

Unfortunately, I don't have that much time to play Civ3 last months... I started my last game more than a month ago and it's still not finished... four-five hours a week is way too little...

	22-10-2002 14:27									#42
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If you mean reloading when I do something stupid, way too often, I'm trying to quit.

	22-10-2002 19:42									#43
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I don't cheat...much, but I do remember being drunk one day and getting ticked off by the constant state of warfare my empire was in. I just survived two wars only to get the Zulus and the Persians declare war on me and reduce me to a 1 city despot. I edited the game so I can get a nuclear bomb at the begining of the game. In the new game, the Zulus still declared war on me, but their religious leader will always talk about the evil demon that came from the sky and torched their previous capital.

	22-10-2002 19:59									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Crostoneman I don't cheat...much, but I do remember being drunk one day and getting ticked off by the constant state of warfare my empire was in.

Once I played Civ3 when I was completely drunk and I got involved in so many wars that my empire was in a constant state of rebellion. I kept looking at my burning cities and I said to myself: "hey you morons, we have to domitate... I mean donimate... er... dominate... hic!... the world".

	22-10-2002 20:45									#45
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I'll only reload if I "Know I'm going to lose the game", but I don't really consider this Cheating because I'm excepting that I lost, but going back to see if I can "Do it right". I think this is a good way to improve.

	22-10-2002 20:53									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Randolph I'll only reload if I "Know I'm going to lose the game", but I don't really consider this Cheating because I'm excepting that I lost, but going back to see if I can "Do it right".

Sure, this is no cheating, I hope you have voted "I never cheat".

	22-10-2002 23:11									#47
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I will reload from autosave if I miskey and if I can replay the turn without changing any moves up until the rekey -- i.e., happens more often in the early game when I accidentally send a unit off a roaded tile and there are few enough units that I can replay the turn in the exact same way as I originally did. "Miskeying" does not include moving a unit and then seeing something that makes me rethink my intended move.

I also occasionally reload from autosave even if I can't be sure of mimicking my original move pattern. This happens when I leave the game to get something to drink / go the bathroom / deal with a baby and I return to either find the AI has gone through its turn or my units have been moved somehow, or even if, without other damning evidence, my 4-year old (who likes to fiddle with the computer while his dad is away) just looks too darn suspicious when I return. I have learned this the hard way .

Catt

	23-10-2002 01:17									#48
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I cheat less than once an hour, so that probably comes to 5-10 times per game.

	23-10-2002 01:29									#49
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I can't reload unless it is some REALLY egregious error on my part, and now it has been about 4 or 5 games since I've had to. Even if I wanted to, the 2 or 3 minutes it takes to load a game is WAY to trying on my patience to do on a regular basis.

	23-10-2002 02:00									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Carver I cheat less than once an hour, so that probably comes to 5-10 times per game.

Wow your game only take 5 to 10 hours?

	23-10-2002 03:13									#51
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I never cheat (i.e. reload guddy hut/ battles etc.) I do restart a lot ff i have a bad start position

	23-10-2002 03:47									#52
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I have never cheated.
I do replay lost games from a point in a game where I think the 'turning point of history' was that made me lose and replay it from there to see if I can make some other moves to make a difference.
Also if a game is in a really hopeless position late on I have quit to restart with another map and just abandon that game.

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	23-10-2002 04:34									#53
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Sometimes I hit the wrong key on the numberpad and send a unit to the wrong square. I've been known to re-do that turn. Is that cheating?

	23-10-2002 05:24									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Sometimes I hit the wrong key on the numberpad and send a unit to the wrong square. I've been known to re-do that turn. Is that cheating?

Yes, come get your whuppin'.

	23-10-2002 08:48									#55
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I don't cheat, I mod.

	23-10-2002 09:05									#56
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley I don't cheat, I mod.

Yes, exactly. My Exp/Mil/Rel/Comm/Scientific Sleepy Civ is an accurate reflection of its historical standing and thus the modding should not be considered a cheat. That and the unit, the "reckless driver" is accurately represented as a 10/3/3 replacement for the horseman.

Move along folks, no cheating to be seen here.

	23-10-2002 14:20									#57
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How could you have fun cheating?

You must be attentive even pressing wrong keys,it's like a real tank fired hitting the wrong key,it's a part of real life and should be simulated on CIV3 too,IMHO.

-----------The only reloads I do is when I walked away from the game for awhile and come back and forgot to do something I intended to do. This is one of the bugabos of computers, you can fail to rememers things you normally would.--------by vmxa1

This could be allowed,but only on critical cases.

Gunter

	23-10-2002 14:21									#58
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---------I do restart a lot ff i have a bad start position-----------

Mee too.

Gunter

	23-10-2002 17:14									#59
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I usually don't cheat. Only if I made a completely foolish decision. Like attacking other countries while I am in too much war already. But that doesn't happen often. I only go to war with some one when I finished the rest off or when I know I can have a little more war. And most of the time I just try to piss them off, so they declare war on me. (If you have a large empire, wait till they pass through your territory and then ask them to buzz off.)

	23-10-2002 17:33									#60
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I never reload; if I screw something up or forget to change a setting etc., I just deal with it. Often it makes the game more interesting that way.