23-10-2002 15:04									#1
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quote: I don't know how can I post a real poll,if someone could do it for me it could be amazing. I usually play at level 3/4 ( from bottom to top ) I don't remeber names of levels. Gunter

	23-10-2002 15:08									#2
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This one worked better.

	23-10-2002 15:10									#3
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Monarch

	23-10-2002 15:11									#4
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Emperor. When I want a game.

	23-10-2002 15:28									#5
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Warlord/Regent. I'm still learning to play this game.

[edit]: I started playing it some 2 weeks ago (when my pc met the requirements)

	23-10-2002 15:29									#6
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Emperor.

I should move on to deity, but something is holding me back

	23-10-2002 15:39									#7
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Emperor. When I want a game.

And when you don't ?

	23-10-2002 15:48									#8
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Monarch but I will probably try Emperor soon.

	23-10-2002 15:51									#9
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Regent. I've tried a couple of Monarch games recently and did OK, but I still need to refine my technique before moving up full-time.

	23-10-2002 16:02									#10
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@Fp;

I will soon be giving you hints

I hope

	23-10-2002 16:02									#11
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Monarch. Regent became too easy to win after twenty or thirty games...

	23-10-2002 16:39									#12
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Monarch, I've tried emperor, and it is fulfilling in battle, but I despise how non of the AI's will keep to their baragins, they all end up backstabbing, double crossing, cheating, sniveling, asking-2tech-500g-coal-iron-gems-for-ivory scum.

	23-10-2002 16:57									#13
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Monarch, it balances fun and challenge the best for me. I will usually win if I keep my wits about me, but I'm not locked into only one way of doing things like the higher levels seem to me. I can try different strategies and still have a chance.

	23-10-2002 17:12									#14
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 @Fp; I will soon be giving you hints I hope

	23-10-2002 17:12									#15
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Emperor, I don't like deity, it's like playing totally different game in a different world than the opponents, who are one 10 tech away all the way to the bitter end where you kill them

	23-10-2002 17:24									#16
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Thanks notyoueither!

I see Regent seems to be too difficult,is it perhaps the AI sometimes cheats?

Gunter

	23-10-2002 17:27									#17
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Emperor??? come on guys,this level is for second time playing...

Gunter

	23-10-2002 17:28									#18
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It seems you are a little confused....

The AI only has advantages on Monarch, Emperor and Diety.

The human player has advantages on Chieftain and Warlord.

On Regent it is a level playing field.

Most people who have voted so far play on one of the harder difficulty levels.

	23-10-2002 17:36									#19
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This is a point I would like to know better,I mean:

If every units has got specific A/D/M why does it happen that Unit A ( let's take for example an catapult ) at lower levels wins vs AI far easily than higher levels?

I experienced many times that a my unit loose 30% more at higher levels than lower levels against of course the same opponent ( let's say a spearmen ) .

Of course on same terrain,same experience.

I mean :

Swordsman beats spearmen = 2 times on 3 tries Emperor level

Swordsman beats spearmen = 1 time on 3 tries
Monarch level

I think this is AI cheats,correct me if I'm wrong

Gunter

	23-10-2002 17:41									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Gunter I mean : Swordsman beats spearmen = 2 times on 3 tries Emperor level Swordsman beats spearmen = 1 time on 3 tries Monarch level I think this is AI cheats,correct me if I'm wrong Gunter

I'm 99% sure you're wrong, but I admit I don't have any evidence to back that up.

In any case, you'd have to do WAY more than 3 repetitions of the experiment to prove that the AI cheated. If you get the same results after 100 attempts then you might have a good case to argue.
Those results could very easily come down to bad luck on the Random Number Generator.

Combat in Civ3 isn't just a game of Scissor/Paper/Stone. The ADM numbers aren't the absolute factor behind the outcome of combat, the RNG throws up some very odd sequences sometime (the 'spearmen beating tank' effect.)

	23-10-2002 17:45									#21
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Anyway, wouldn't the chances of a human-controlled Swordsman beating a Spearmen go DOWN on Emperor, as opposed to Monarch, and not up?

	23-10-2002 17:46									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Gunter This is a point I would like to know better,I mean: If every units has got specific A/D/M why does it happen that Unit A ( let's take for example an catapult ) at lower levels wins vs AI far easily than higher levels? I experienced many times that a my unit loose 30% more at higher levels than lower levels against of course the same opponent ( let's say a spearmen ) . Of course on same terrain,same experience. I mean : Swordsman beats spearmen = 2 times on 3 tries Emperor level Swordsman beats spearmen = 1 time on 3 tries Monarch level I think this is AI cheats,correct me if I'm wrong Gunter

I dbout very much that something this big could have been missed entirely in a big place like apolyton untill now.

	23-10-2002 22:42									#23
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Firaxis has confirmed that the AI doesn't cheat combat wise. Your chances to beat a Spearman with your Swordsman are the same, Chieftain or Deity. The difference is, on Deity those Spearmen will be supported for free and cost less.

	23-10-2002 22:54									#24
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Warlord. I even tried Regent once, but I was so severely smashed that I postponed my advance. Ok, so I played as Liz, but even so...

Besides, I don't have that much time to play the game, so I prefer an easy match.

	24-10-2002 02:06									#25
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No one else plays deity?!?!

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	24-10-2002 02:17									#27
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Emperor... just moving up from Monarch. I'm still not comfortable, but have a really solid win under my belt now, so that helps.

-Arrian

	24-10-2002 05:09									#28
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I play all levels. I prefer monarch, but I will do a few emp and then 1 or 2 deity and back to monarch. I sometime load posted game and play them a bit, what ever level they are. The level is not about skill, so much as it is about tactics to use. Anyone that can beat Monarch understands how to play and can adjust to emp/deity, they may not find as much fun at them. It is a function of what you enjoy. If you do not like trading, early wars, being push around for large chunk of the game, you may not care for the highest levels. If you like coming from behind and working out of a hole, you probably will. If you want to skip most of this then you may prefer another level, either way it is all good.

	24-10-2002 05:26									#29
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Regent currently.

Although I may be too good for this level. I finally got the Magnificant label at the end of the game. The highest you can get I think.

It was a great game. Long though. I had tons of cities. I played a military trait civ peacefully all the way into the late industrial age. I think I may stop playing the Aztecs. Because in this game I was the Japanese. Same traits, but a different starting tech and uu. No early golden age for me. I purposely started a war with my Samurai in the middle ages to get a golden age. I ran out of things to build by the end of it!

But if you get too ahead in techs the other leading civ "magically" catches up. So I had to smash the Chinese with my cavalry, artillery, bombers, and infantry. The first time I had such an impressive attack force. I used to rely too much on one dimensional attacks. My artillery helped soften up cities esp. when I had 15 to 20 of them.

Long, but amazing game. I would think I have this level aced but this was on a premade map. It was an earth map (though starting locations were not fixed- I don't know how to do that). It had bonus resources in all the starting locations. But theoretically the AI should have had the same advantage as I did. I used the starting luxeries and resources to my advanatage. Most premade maps I get screwed in starting locations.

	24-10-2002 06:59									#30
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I play Emperor. Some observations about how I see the difficulty levels (based on my experience with the game):

Regent and below: Play any way you want, you'll win eventually.

Monarch: You can almost always play the game on your own terms.

Emperor: You need to work to get to play on your own terms, at which point you're probably going to win.

Deity: You're almost never playing on your own terms, but instead constantly trying to cope with the sick advantages the AI gets.

By "play the game on your own terms" I mean that most of your decisions are based on preference, rather than necessity. For example, playing a pure builder strategy is a preference, and is very difficult to pull off on any level higher than Monarch.


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