25-10-2002 15:16									#1
	The US Defence Budget is now greater than that of the next 25 countries put together! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Does anyone think that this is somewhat excessive?

	25-10-2002 15:17									#2
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the military industrial complex won't

	25-10-2002 15:35									#3
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See who is the terrorist now?

	25-10-2002 15:41									#4
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Well, to be fair, some of their biggest military rivals have basket-case economies. It's hard to assess the defense "budget" of a nation with toilet-paper currency. Especially if they haven't even used it to pay their troops for several months.

	25-10-2002 15:41									#5
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What does having an army have to do with being a terrorist?

	25-10-2002 15:51									#6
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What do you have such a huge army for? Parading?

	25-10-2002 15:58									#7
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For defense.

	25-10-2002 16:02									#8
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Yeah, sure.

	25-10-2002 16:05									#9
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Well, regardless, you have not said anything to back up your claim that we are terrorists. But let's stop this thread from wandering too far off topic.

	25-10-2002 16:08									#10
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you don't need your army for defense. who's going to invade you? the cold war is over.

	25-10-2002 16:09									#11
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If the US want to spend what they spend on defence I don't really see what business it is of other countries

	25-10-2002 16:10									#12
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That is true. Our government just decides it has too much money floating around so why not build a few more planes just in case. We're kinda weird.

	25-10-2002 16:17									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus you don't need your army for defense. who's going to invade you? the cold war is over.

Maybe we just don't want to get caught with our pants down again like in WWII.

Nothing like a high tech army to disuade would-be Nazis from showing up at your door.

	25-10-2002 16:45									#14
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger If the US want to spend what they spend on defence I don't really see what business it is of other countries

Yeah, not my taxes!

	25-10-2002 16:52									#15
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quote: Nothing like a high tech army to disuade would-be Nazis from showing up at your door.

in WW2, the US mainland was never in danger of being invaded, let alone by the Nazis.

	25-10-2002 17:17									#16
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WooHoo

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	25-10-2002 17:39									#17
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just curious, who are the next 25?

	25-10-2002 17:46									#18
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I dont Know, but, it is quite impressive, the Americans must surely spend more money in the military than Japan,Germany,France,Italy,England,China,Russia, India, Pakistan,Brazil etc etc together.

	25-10-2002 17:50									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus in WW2, the US mainland was never in danger of being invaded, let alone by the Nazis.

Exactly.

	25-10-2002 17:52									#20
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It's only healthy to have a budget that big .

edit: I can't see any problems here, well maybe that then you must fight a lot, or all the money is wasted.
Looks like someone is preparing for huge fighting, but still you guys won't except volunteers. Shame on you! I'd do it for free! There's something wrong in that! Call your congressman!

	25-10-2002 18:09									#21
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At least they aren't spending the money on education or something so we should get a competitive edge down the line.

	25-10-2002 19:07									#22
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We will bomb your schools.

	25-10-2002 19:09									#23
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We would bomb yours but the kids are too well armed.

	25-10-2002 19:11									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH We would bomb yours but the kids are too well armed.

	25-10-2002 19:17									#25
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Bomb us with what?

	25-10-2002 19:17									#26
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH We would bomb yours but the kids are too well armed.

And don't you forget it! The graduates of one of our elite training camps (schools) could conquer France in hours.

	25-10-2002 19:19									#27
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I thought that it was only the next 10 countries combined though.

	25-10-2002 19:21									#28
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Does someone have a list?

	25-10-2002 19:32									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Does someone have a list?

http://www.cdi.org/issues/wme/spendersFY03.html

As current as I could find. In case the link doesn't work, here's the top 25 (in billions USD):

United States $396.1
Russia* $60.0
China* $42.0
Japan $40.4
United Kingdom $34.0
Saudi Arabia $27.2
France $25.3
Germany $21.0
Brazil* $17.9
India $15.6
Italy $15.5
South Korea $11.8
Iran $9.1
Israel $9.0
Taiwan $8.2
Canada $7.7
Spain $6.9
Australia $6.6
Netherlands $5.6
Turkey $5.1
Singapore $4.3
Sweden $4.2
United Arab Emirates* $3.9
Poland $3.7
Greece $3.3

	25-10-2002 19:37									#30
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These numbers should be looked at with a grain of salt. Our military is a professional force, which costs a lot of money to run. It has to compete with the private sector for bodies and minds, which costs lots of moolah.

We're going toward a defense budget of 4% of GDP. Historically, this is not an unduly high figure. Personally, I thought a 3% figure was just fine, but moving to 4% is not a very large swing upward in context.