27-10-2002 06:09									#1
	PtW Demo Game: Teams or Multi-Site? Increase the size of your Attachments

A bit of confusion developed over the new PtW Demo Game. Markos thought that it would be an entirely within-site game, where small groups of people would break off into teams and each team would play a civ. A couple other people thought he meant a demo game against other civ forums. So what do you guys want?

Let me remind you that TF (the admin over at Civ Fanatics) said that he wanted to hold off on a multi-site demo game for a couple months, so Fanatica's membership is severely in question.

	27-10-2002 06:49									#2
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I say, in site teams then after a few months or after the first game maybe multisite (after we infiltrate them with loyal apolytonian citizens).

	27-10-2002 06:55									#3
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I was thinking it was going to be a multi-site deal. I suppose in-site games would be fun as well, but I would like to see THIS same group of citizens play against another online group of gamers.

	27-10-2002 06:59									#4
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I want a multiple-nation Apolyton game

wouldnt everyone love to have a war of two Apolyton's? test the mettle of two great SMC's like Uber Vs. Agie, two great diplomats (ahem, no name mentioning), and such?

i dunno, my opinion

	27-10-2002 07:24									#5
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Multi-site.

If we do teams, we'll have what, at most twenty members for teams? Where does that leave Demogamers who don't plan on buying the game but want to participate? With only twenty per team, their limited role would almost be a burdon on their team. I'd rather start off with multisite, and then when enough people have bought the game we can also start in-site games.

Remember, if we do an in apolyton game, there's no need for it to be a big issue. We all know each other, and we could always run one alongside a multi-site game. Granted, security will be tough in any multisite game, and we'll probably have to take a step backwards with many more things being via PM, but that's ok. We're all in it for fun, and think a larger game would be fun for more people -- at least at the start, when some won't have PtW.

-- adaMada

	27-10-2002 08:00									#6
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How many teams would we have for a multi site? CFC won't be in the game (and why have 3 people said 'Poly teams but there's only 2 votes for it?). A multi-site game would take far too long to setup, and far too long to play, IMO. Like nz said, we should do a team game now, and a multi-site later on once we get to the nuances of doing a PtW Demo Game.

	27-10-2002 08:28									#7
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I'm not very interested in a team game, since the teams would have to be small and, quite frankly, I'm not sure I could pull my weight.

So, I would vote multi-site; however, I'm probably not gonna have the time for a MP Demogame soon anyway, especially if MOO3 sucks up the time I hope it will. So I'll sit out the poll; I just want to say that, regardless of whether a team game is set up, I do hope a multi-site game is developed as well. Heck, it could be up and running in a few months; just because CFC doesn't want to play immediately doesn't mean we can't set up the rules and be ready to go when they are.

	27-10-2002 09:09									#8
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here is an idea Timeline and I somehow conjured up in a jibberish-like chat

Why don't we just mix the two options?

If two or more factions of Apolyton want to form seperate nations, and Fanatics have two or more factions, why dont we just allow them to form those nations they desire?

So in this manner, we can have as many nations as the people can form (there may have to be some basic laws to the minimum needed people signed up to a nation), and we can have citizens from either forum playing in any nation.

	27-10-2002 09:32									#9
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Why won't CFC be in the game? Have they said they won't?

	27-10-2002 10:07									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot here is an idea Timeline and I somehow conjured up in a jibberish-like chat Why don't we just mix the two options? If two or more factions of Apolyton want to form seperate nations, and Fanatics have two or more factions, why dont we just allow them to form those nations they desire? So in this manner, we can have as many nations as the people can form (there may have to be some basic laws to the minimum needed people signed up to a nation), and we can have citizens from either forum playing in any nation.

That was my original hope.

I don't see why we can't do all three.

	27-10-2002 11:55									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Randolph Why won't CFC be in the game? Have they said they won't?

Didn't you read my last sentence in my first post?

	27-10-2002 12:42									#12
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I'd like multiple Apolyton teams. It'd probably be easier to coordinate and whatnot, and could be pretty interesting.

	27-10-2002 13:41									#13
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I'm all for both, but I think this could couse trouble if we had both going at the same time. Say an in-site set of games alone would be fine, but they would all have to be done as soon as we moved to multi-site game.
This would be because there might be division amongst gamers who are currently playing each other AND THEN playing another site at the same time. Could cause internal bickering that wouldn't be healthy for the main game.

That make sense at all?

	27-10-2002 13:44									#14
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Interesting to see how strongly the Apolytinians want to fight under the Apolytonia flag. Esprit de corps. But we need training since no one has experienced the MP game; so the team contest within Apolytonia is a must.

	27-10-2002 14:03									#15
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Interesting to see how strongly the Apolytinians want to fight under the Apolytonia flag. Esprit de corps. But we need training since no one has experienced the MP game; so the team contest within Apolytonia is a must.

True but I still think that team contests within Apolyton should all take place at the same time and end at the same time to not conflict with a multi-site game.

	27-10-2002 19:59									#16
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we should do intra-site team games for a while before starting the inter-site democracy games. so really, both.

	27-10-2002 20:55									#17
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Like I said in the PTW members thread, do small poly teams to practice on untill the MSDG comes around. With maps no bigger then regular and several different teams, we would just use the honor system umongst oursleves to stay out of each others forums. After the game is complete, or we figure out who would eventualy win, we stop and discuss the hows and whys of what happened. Use this as a tool to ensure our dominance in a future MSDG.

	27-10-2002 20:57									#18
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Oh, yeah... NO CFC or other site (if possible) cause I don't want them benifiting from our work...

	27-10-2002 21:17									#19
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It should be against Civ Fanatics. And if they are dont want to play right now then we should do a team thing until they are ready.

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Whops, guess I need to be a bit more carefull...

Though I’m sure with sufficient taunting they’ll come around

	28-10-2002 19:00									#21
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Teams within Apolyton. It'd be kinda fun to team up and play against each other.

	29-10-2002 02:01									#22
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Both.

In house first, then against all the others once we have some practice.

	29-10-2002 02:15									#23
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breaking up into team would be cool for the sake of learning how playing other humans will affect the game, sort of give us a basis for making decisions in the multi-site games.
But maybe we should do it while prepping for the multi-site game and begin the true multi-site as soon as preparations are made.
Regardless, security issues should be addressed soon.

	30-10-2002 03:32									#24
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Eigther 2 human civs or lots of human civs2 because http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=51378 mentions alot of MP cheats. According to http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=65620 there is a limit to 8 civs (AI and human) in MP games.

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	31-10-2002 19:26									#25
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A multi site game without CivFanatics would not be very fun- as they are the other great 'civ power'. Besides, no one knows the dinamics of human vs human, and how we set this game up might influence how the multi-site game is set up- specially concerning rules about info sharing, or not.

	31-10-2002 19:52									#26
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Let's do it in-house first, and see what happens.
After that I'll be more then happy to CFC and others

ehm: I might have mentioned this before on (several) other occassions, but if possible make it continent versus continent.
If off-course there are enough players from both(all) sides. This would IMO spice things up a bit IMHO

	31-10-2002 21:14									#27
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i like smaller groups (10-15 people).

it may not be fair to the less known people, but it'll make everything easier.

we'd need private forums / chatroms on poly's server though

	01-11-2002 04:14									#28
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A Multi-site game sounds like fun. It gives us extra incentive to hone our skills, even when were way ahead.

	01-11-2002 23:01									#29
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We already made a start about organizing a intersite DG for PTW by making a board where all the sites can debate and discuss an intersite game. We named it the UN council for appointed representatives and the UN open forum . Everyone should be able to post on the open forum even without a 1BC membership. We have five nations with diplomats:

-Apolytonia
-Fanatika
-Demogyptica
-The Bengal Republic
-The Community

Let me know if your interested in getting it organized. From the reactions we got, all sites are interested in an intersite game.

	02-11-2002 00:17									#30
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada Multi-site. If we do teams, we'll have what, at most twenty members for teams? Where does that leave Demogamers who don't plan on buying the game but want to participate? With only twenty per team, their limited role would almost be a burdon on their team. I'd rather start off with multisite, and then when enough people have bought the game we can also start in-site games. Remember, if we do an in apolyton game, there's no need for it to be a big issue. We all know each other, and we could always run one alongside a multi-site game. Granted, security will be tough in any multisite game, and we'll probably have to take a step backwards with many more things being via PM, but that's ok. We're all in it for fun, and think a larger game would be fun for more people -- at least at the start, when some won't have PtW. -- adaMada

Does everyone have to own PTW to be able to be on a team?