28-10-2002 10:35									#1
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Got interest from:
DD, deity, Hawkhunter, Makeo, Berz, Dang, Dr_eamer (cyberthing), Zylka...

Some will drop out so post here and stay tuned.

Mandatory:
Deity level
1x1x
no city bribe
Med Map, even with 6 or 7 players

To discuss:
alliances - suggest none with NO co-operation between civs
no unit bribe - prefer I think
Wonders - at least one each
Barbs - suggest roving
Huts?
tech trading/stealing?

	28-10-2002 14:19									#2
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Due to the loss of a venue my gig calendar has been severely curtailed, so I intend to vent my frustration in a quest for world domination...

no alliances - I agree with no planned alliances from start, but sometimes in game it becomes mutually beneficial to work together. Where would the line be drawn - mutual trading blocks? allowing troops to move through territory? Wouldn't be happy with things as extreme as city swapping though.

no unit bribe/tech stealing - I'd vote to allow both, but accept a vote to dissalow them

wonders - do you mean limit wonder building?

tech trading - surely this must be allowed

barbs - roving good

huts - no preference

	28-10-2002 14:58									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Cyber-Spyder edit... no alliances - I agree with no planned alliances from start, but sometimes in game it becomes mutually beneficial to work together. Where would the line be drawn - mutual trading blocks? allowing troops to move through territory? Wouldn't be happy with things as extreme as city swapping though.

he he I like the guy. City swaping IS pretty extreme and must be dis-allowed, I agree.

quote: no unit bribe/tech stealing - I'd vote to allow both, but accept a vote to dissalow them

You mean Yes to Unit Bribe? And Yes to Tech stealing?

quote: wonders - do you mean limit wonder building?

I prefer One Wonder per civ games but I'm easy.

quote: tech trading - surely this must be allowed

Agreed here.

	28-10-2002 15:28									#4
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quote:

You mean Yes to Unit Bribe? And Yes to Tech stealing?

I'd say yes to both, but don't have strong feelings towards them. Mainly because when you have to do either, you really need to do it. If it is no unit bribe, does that include barbs?

One wonder per civ - never done that before, I like the idea.

	28-10-2002 15:55									#5
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USA 8 pm

what time is that in the real world (melbourne)?

	29-10-2002 05:35									#6
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I'm in.

	29-10-2002 05:50									#7
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sounds like fun... if theres room for another i
would like in too.

	29-10-2002 15:33									#8
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Welcome SH and boann... we certainly may have a few for this one! Maybe two games!

	29-10-2002 15:36									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey USA 8 pm what time is that in the real world (melbourne)?

I think that's 12noon for us in Aussie Hydey, now that Daylight Saving has started.

	30-10-2002 02:18									#10
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If its 12 noon then I might be able to play, usually up by then after huge Saturday night at the cricket club.

	30-10-2002 04:23									#11
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You're a cricket in real-life?
I always knew there was something different about you.

	30-10-2002 15:43									#12
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yes very funny SlowwHand

	30-10-2002 15:51									#13
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No alliances
no city bribe, unit bribe is ok
wonders yes but not needed
Barbs = raging
Huts yes
tech trading yes
tech stealing to be encouraged

prefer a random map

	30-10-2002 22:18									#14
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Definitely random map, and I hate city bribe.

	31-10-2002 21:48									#15
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Looks like i'm the 1st to drop .. i have to work saturday night

	02-11-2002 02:06									#16
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These are the players that have more or less confirmed!
WE have too many!
DD can host and Hydey can host. Should we start two games or would some prefer to be available as subs?

DD, deity, Makeo, Berz, Dang, Dr_eamer, Slowwhand, Boann, Hydey, Zylka

Settings consensus thus far:
Deity level
1x1x
Barbs = raging ?
No alliances
tech trading ?
tech stealing to be encouraged
no city bribe
unit bribe OK but no double moves
Random Med Map (cool, wet, 4 bill?)
Huts - Yes
All Wonders? (Two players would like ONE Wonder per civ)

Being MP we possibly should have some interaction in the Foreign Advisor? Map trading etc is OK. But not ceding cities or militarily co-operating against one civ. And you must declare war on a civ and not get another civ to ask you (to save you revolting).

	02-11-2002 08:11									#17
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I will be there tomorrow at 8pm! Hopefully I can get in. I have a preference of NO huts, they don't add anything to the game and an unwelcome element of luck to the "opening". But I will play regardless if there is a spot open.

- Narz

	02-11-2002 10:41									#18
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My goodness! How come more people don't set up games?!!

One thread and we have 11+ players!

Let's just say that the core players who discussed this slot for a game are:
DD, deity, Dang, Berz.

So us four are in but DD is thinking he will step back and be a backup because he will be away on several Sat nights.

Hydey is the host so he's in.

So that's Hydey, deity, Dang, Berz.

I got icq's from some and some posted here.

Depending on who shows at 8pm USA Sat night I suggest the following pecking order:
Hydey, deity, Dang, Berz as definites (4)
Cyber-Spyder (Dr_eamer) posted immediately (number 5)
Makeo replied by icq immediately I posted (number 6)
Slowwhand posted quick (number 7)
Boann posted quick
Zylka - no post but icq message early on
Narz - posted late

I really want to play all of you! So I hope no one is offended.

But really think about it. Are you going to be dead reliable? Will you show each week or at least have a certain sub? Some may double as a sub team.

If 7+ players show up around 8pm we can discuss it in icq and it may be that two games get started if there is another host.

I hope this is a reasonable approach

	02-11-2002 11:32									#19
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I'm out

	02-11-2002 12:06									#20
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hai hai

	02-11-2002 12:39									#21
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I hate to see people miss out, but I'd really like a full 7 player game - never had that many before and it would be a very cool challenge. As this time is sun morn for me I can be certain of being home {although not sober}. Also my flatmate {hartster} can sub for me should the unthinkable happen. Did others respond with their vote on the wonders?

	02-11-2002 17:55									#22
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SHYTE Its midnight saturday night and I'm blind, i'm drinking and your thinking , I'm blind and your fine.

I will be here at 12 midday melbourne time as Deity informed me that that was 8 pm USA so watch out for a Hydey with a huge hangover after free piss at 2 cricket clubs .

	03-11-2002 00:53									#23
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I'm a bit hesistant to join, I've been giving up saturday nights now for two months for games that quickly fizzled. I will let others wanting in take my spot and if y'all have less than 7, I will take an open slot. I'll be online at 8 est to see who shows.

	03-11-2002 03:43									#24
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Also we should play Simul with so many people.

It really wasn't any problem last time, I just informed others when I was done moving units so they could attack me lol....it is a real help with so many players.

	03-11-2002 03:50									#25
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ill leave my icq on 135182262
if im in send me a message.

	03-11-2002 04:50									#26
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We start in about an hour and 10 mins...
Hydey to host.

Turn based is better and clearer. The simul I played is only marginally quicker than turns. Lag increases as everyone moves units at the same time accessing the host.

	03-11-2002 04:54									#27
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Also I think we better include all Wonders with only me and Cyber wanting one Wonder.

I think Barbs should be roving because it can wreck some starts if you are unlucky. WE want this to be a long running full game of civ... no one getting knocked out too early.

Will we limit early war to say 2000BC?

I just played a great game where we got to SS and nukes with all players in the running. I'd love to get to the modern era with seven players

	03-11-2002 04:57									#28
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I only want one wonder each

I'll be there on time, but must voice myself in that this game is for dedicated players only. If it goes the same way as most others, I'd rather join Ming and Rah for the night

	03-11-2002 05:04									#29
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Definites online and/or ready to go at 8pm:
Hydey
deity
Boann
Cyber
Dang
Cyber
with Sloww assured to be here at 8...

Ready to go if 7 others don't show:
DD
Berz

	03-11-2002 05:07									#30
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Any in games disputes to be voted on in King Chat immediately and then we move on straight away.

Hydey as host and I as organiser will also discuss in icq if no decision is reached and we will post the verdict in King Chat