31-10-2002 23:31									#1
	Poll(Unoff.)What should the Science slider be set at? Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

poll(Unofficial)What should the science slider be set at?

Its time we acted like a world power, and raised our science rate to get get to our next objectives: ToE===>Hoover Dam. We need a fairly short term strategy to get there.

Note: I had 3 links to threads but they were no good,and by the time I can fix them, almost everyone will have voted in the poll. Sorry for the inconvience.

Last edited by realpolitic on 02-11-2002 at 03:07

	01-11-2002 00:31									#2
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The link to the science rate discussion thread doesn't work, on my PC at least. I found the thread all by myself though

	01-11-2002 00:34									#3
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I'm expecting a runoff between 40% and 50%. My vote went to 40%, but that might change between now and the time the runoff poll is started.

	01-11-2002 00:55									#4
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None of these links work for me either.

(The Science Slider disucssion thread though is an active one.)

	01-11-2002 01:09									#5
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Stupid me I voted for 40% instead of the rate I favour: 50%. Could someone change that please?

	01-11-2002 01:23									#6
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Is that poll taking place in Palm Beach County, Florida ???

	01-11-2002 01:37									#7
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Is that poll taking place in Palm Beach County, Florida ???

The 40 was too close to the 50. It's fraud! Let's hope we have an unbiased court (do we?)

	01-11-2002 03:59									#8
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voted 50%, but 40% would be ok by me also.

	01-11-2002 04:36									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber I'm expecting a runoff between 40% and 50%. My vote went to 40%, but that might change between now and the time the runoff poll is started.

Since more than 50% have voted for 50% or max(at least as I'm putting up this post) I'd think that a 50% slider was the will of the people.

	01-11-2002 04:52									#10
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I agree. And since it was the will of the people, I will reveal that it was and is most certainly my will too.

This poll isn't official, but I think that it is a strong enough suggestion to our esteemed minister of economy. As for timing, I think it is generally understood that it would be implemented the next turn.

	01-11-2002 08:15									#11
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Forty percent looks good. We still get almost +300Lpt that way, and our tech rate improves considerably.

	01-11-2002 09:42									#12
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I'd prefer 50% (and that's how I voted), but I could live with 40%.

Personally, I think the best move is to publicy provide information on how much income would be under each rate and how long it would take to research the next tech under each rate. I know this can easily be determined by looking at the save, but not everyone wants to go to the trouble of looking that up from the save every time they vote in a poll like this

Perhaps the MoS or MoE can provide that information with a poll like this in the future - perhaps that would even give the MoS something more to do?

	01-11-2002 10:16									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Personally, I think the best move is to publicy provide information on how much income would be under each rate and how long it would take to research the next tech under each rate.

Check out Raising the Science Slider (one of the threads realpolitic linked in the start of the thread though there was something weird with that link). On the second page, ET lists the lpt and turns for discovery for every science slider setting.

	01-11-2002 10:48									#14
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It's amazing how many people vote with their hearts instead of attempting to develop a budget. Look at our Military. There is about a 3400 upgrade bill now due. Can we defer it a little? Yes but not for long. Remember folks we only have 18 GA turns left. And that's when the money dries up. And most likely another upgrade cycle for riflemen due.

Does anyone truly believe that 14 turns from now we will be able to renegotiate our Fur deal so it is still free (Lyton wise). ? Wanna buy a bridge with questionable title?

Does anyone truly believe that 17 turns from now we will be able to renegotiate silks for dyes even up? In your dreams.

Does anyone truly believe that 14 turns from now we will be able to renegotiate gems for free (Lyton wise)? The banana knows but I digress.

And the New France proposal with accelerated culture for City 1A/1B will be cheap?

Run the numbers. I have and you will quickly see that 50% will be a big cash burn, 40% will be a modest cash burn, and 30% isn't worth the effort science wise.

Well we could disband our lone warrior for 2 Lytons and save 1/turn maintenance. That oughta be enough! Whatta ya say Aggie?

	01-11-2002 22:57									#15
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Road Cage, there's no need to upgrade most military units just as soon as you discover the techs.

Knights in other theatres can stay as Knights until some time as we start planning our next war. Who knows? Perhaps by the time the next war starts, even Calvary is obsolete. (Attacking Infentry with anything other than Tanks usually results in massive loses to the attackers.)

And as far as the defensive units: Stone age defensive units in the interiors is fine the entire game.
Only defensemen along the border matter, and since a glance at ratio of AI worker to AI military unit on the frontier tells you if they are wanting to fight you well in advance, we can delay upgrading defensive units as well.

The Forbiden Place completes in 12 turns currently. Our increased GPT from the first few towns near it more than covers luxary trade deals even post GA.

	02-11-2002 03:17									#16
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We should upgrade our Knights to Cavalry as soon as we need to.For 20 Lytons it's extremely cost effective. I usually pay for my upgrades by disbanding a few ancient units, but given the warmongering style we've played and our decision to go Democratic, we should first decide if we will soon go Commie, and figure out if we'll have all of our units free.

quote: Does anyone truly believe that 14 turns from now we will be able to renegotiate our Fur deal so it is still free (Lyton wise). ? Wanna buy a bridge with questionable title? Does anyone truly believe that 17 turns from now we will be able to renegotiate silks for dyes even up? In your dreams. Does anyone truly believe that 14 turns from now we will be able to renegotiate gems for free (Lyton wise)? The banana knows but I digress.

We might be able to trade technology for one or more of these, but if not, we have plenty of luxuries, and probably shouldn't bid too high for them. So we lose a few WLTKD's or have an entertainer in 3 cities, or whatever. Sometimes that can be cheaper than a luxury contract.

	02-11-2002 03:29									#17
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We should upgrade our Knights to Cavalry as soon as we need to. I usually pay for my upgrades by disbanding a few ancient units, but given the warmongering style we've played and our decision to go Democratic, we should first decide if we will soon go Commie, and figure out if we'll have all of our units free.

	02-11-2002 03:58									#18
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I highly dought we are going communist any time soon.

The Forbiden Palace is going to complete in 12 turns.

Our existing Palace is going to start being relocated to Timeline in 4 turns.

Unless an AI declares war on us, we might not fight again. (Athough I think this is highly unlikely.)

Any AI on our own contientant that declares war on us though will feel our wrath and probably be annexed in their entirity.

	02-11-2002 04:59									#19
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I'd say 40. This allows us to research on our own while still keeping adequate funds for rushes and upgrade. We can then reasess it again after our GA.