02-11-2002 22:15									#1
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How often do you get to build them?
I haven never got a city with cal and iron ints it's radius.

	02-11-2002 22:42									#2
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I just got my first and it is beautiful! Too bad its surrounded by hills and mountains so I can only get it up to 13 pop.

	02-11-2002 23:30									#3
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If you're on a big map and have many captured workers, add 7 and then 1 every turn after, so it can use its full radius.

	02-11-2002 23:35									#4
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In the last year Ive only managed to build it 4 or 5 times but the sweetest was when I spotted the Persians with a city with one Iron and two coal and swiftly relieved them of this prime piece of real estate,naturally I built the Ironworks there when the dust had settled

	03-11-2002 00:18									#5
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I get often, but usually it is too late to matter much.

I should add that is after 129f, before it was very rare.

	03-11-2002 00:57									#6
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Jag, in PtW you cannot do that "adding workers with a food deficit" trick (according to the readme).

	03-11-2002 03:08									#7
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can you build more that one iron works, should the opportunity arrise?

Size of the map will dramatically affect the chances of Iron Works, as will no. of players.

PLaying on a 200x200 size, with 4 players,I rarely (about 1 in 15 games) get a chance to build one.

	03-11-2002 03:15									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Destroyer can you build more that one iron works, should the opportunity arrise?

It's a small wonder, so no you can't I'm afraid.

	03-11-2002 03:27									#9
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I've never seen Iron Works as I always play on large maps

	03-11-2002 04:02									#10
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A large map should provided an occassional IW chances. I have seen it on std maps. I may be a function of the age/temp/etc as you need mounains and jungles to get a good shot at coal and iron.

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quote: Originally posted by Destroyer can you build more that one iron works, should the opportunity arrise? Size of the map will dramatically affect the chances of Iron Works, as will no. of players. PLaying on a 200x200 size, with 4 players,I rarely (about 1 in 15 games) get a chance to build one.

u cant, i had 2 cities that had both coal and iron in the city radius and was only able to build one.

	03-11-2002 05:01									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit I've never seen Iron Works as I always play on large maps

I only ever play on Standard maps or smaller and I built one once (only once mind you. ).

	03-11-2002 06:04									#13
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The ironworks is awesome, but rare. I see an opportunity for it once every 3 or 4 games. Once I got it in a city surrounded by only grassland and hills... 1 coal and 2 iron. Let me tell you, that was sweet...

	03-11-2002 06:16									#14
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To really benefit, you need to have a really hilly area.

What is the highest sheild output you can manage. Ive got 110 from a city without Iron works pre manufacturing plant.

My Iron works cities are almost never well positioned sheild production wise

	03-11-2002 07:41									#15
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Well, I don't remember the shields, but I had a modern armor out in 2 turns.

	03-11-2002 08:12									#16
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The one time in all the games I've played that I could actually build the Iron Works, the city so far away from my two cores that the its shield output would have been low regardless. I rushed a factory and such anyway, just to say I built the darn thing at least once, but eventually let the city fall to the AI. The game ended long before they even thought of building Iron Works.


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	03-11-2002 14:32									#17
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I have been able to get it in more than half of my industrial games, but quite often in cities that suck in other ways. Never ever in my capitol on a random map. The best place I have had it in was in south England on Marla's Earth when my capitol was in Germany, but that map is rigged.

	03-11-2002 14:34									#18
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I built one in my last game, city was on the coast with at least 4 mountains mined and a couple of hills 2 or 3 plains irrigated and the rest mined desert. Oh and had a fish on 1 coast square plus 2 other coast and 1 sea.
It was very close to my palace in fact it was the second city I built but the shield output was only about 85 or 90 a turn prior to man fac plant. Still enough to crank out MA in one turn, unless I built a worker it dropped to two turns until the pop grew back.

	03-11-2002 15:56									#19
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I once had the Iron Works in my FP city, it helped me finish the space ship parts much quicklier.

	03-11-2002 18:53									#20
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Once had it in a ceded English town right between my FP and capital. It was glorious. ICBM in 3 turns, when the pollution didn't make it 4 turns.

	03-11-2002 23:36									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Destroyer What is the highest sheild output you can manage. Ive got 110 from a city without Iron works pre manufacturing plant. My Iron works cities are almost never well positioned sheild production wise

Really? Ironworks is almost always in the most productive city of mine. I think I get one fairly often and if I don't, I've usually gotten it from one of the cities I conquered.

Once I got real lucky with the map and ended up with 3 cities with production 140+ post manufacturing plant & nuclear plant. My best was the iron works city at 152 (144 after corruption) It could have been better, but the city lost the coal before it's full production could be realized.

That's 3 cities pumping out MAs at 1 per turn, unstoppable.

But I don't think I've ever had ICBMs at 1/3 turns

	04-11-2002 00:04									#22
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IN AU 105, we specifically tried to combine a GA with the IW for max production. A lot of people did very well, but Catt, playing an OCC, got up to 210 shields per turn. The screen shot is in the middle of this page:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...20&pagenumber=3

If you read his post, btw, he experimented with mobilization as well, and got up to 259 shields per turn!!

	05-11-2002 01:50									#23
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I can never work out what the total bonus will be after each improvement.

I know factory x 50%
other plant 50%
nuclear power 100%
mfg 100%
Iron work x100%
GA upto +21 sheilds

Is this correct? Anyone know a link to a better explaination?

	05-11-2002 02:25									#24
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Without checking the doc, I would say that is what I recall.

	05-11-2002 08:59									#25
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With a Manufacturing Plant, Nuke Plant and Hydro Plant I've churned out Modern Armor in 1 turn during a golden age.

They're just too hard to come by. But, as soon as I get coal I scan the maps for the combo.

	05-11-2002 12:39									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Destroyer I can never work out what the total bonus will be after each improvement. I know factory x 50% other plant 50% nuclear power 100% mfg 100% Iron work x100% GA upto +21 sheilds Is this correct? Anyone know a link to a better explaination?

Do it the other way -- GA first since the improvements will turn the 21 extra shields into much more. So:

GA extra shield in each tile already producing one (max 21).

Subtract wasted shields. Then:

Factory x 50%
Coal / Hydro / Solar Plant x 50% -- Nuclear Plant x 100%
-(only one of the above plants at a time)
Iron Works x 100%
Mfg Plant x 50%

Total possible is 300% on base, net shields.

Catt

	06-11-2002 03:26									#27
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Okay Dokey

I have only ever got as far as building MFG plants once, and only recently discovered Nuclear plants give 100% impovements