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Iconoclast
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I have played a great many online game with PTW, all fun. As long as you keep ping in mind, you can have fun.
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candybo
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Minor apologies for bringing this up again, but something occured me while *ahem* using the facilities..
Assuming all this is true about staying in the "upgrade chain", shouldn't PtW have been released/sold, etc as an "upgrade" rather than an expansion pack? As an example, consider The Sims. With all of the silly xpacks, none of them really affected the core game. The actual game hasn't needed any patching in a LONG time, but if something came up, it would be a patch to the core, most likely.
The main reason that there isn't a fuss about people having to buy Sims Online is that the original was SO long ago, it was never assumed to get multiplayer eventually, unlike Civ3. Maxis can present it as a totally different experience.
In my opinion, one of the difficulties is a matter of semantics. If Firaxis/Infogrames referred to PtW as an upgrade, they would have had a very hard time justifying it. If a product is simply an upgrade, it should either 1)be available as a patch, or 2)be sold as a stand-alone product, not requiring Civ3 to be played. If that had been the case, they could have retired vanilla Civ3. I don't pretend to assume how that could have been handled tactfully, maybe a rebate or something, like utilities programs.
To bring this ramble to a close, in the interest of fair play, I think Firaxis should continue to support vanilla Civ3, as much as possible, and not assume that everbody who bought vCiv3 also bought PtW. Thank you for your time...
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Demerzel
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it's a bit harsh on people who don't buy PtW to not get any further patches or not be able to play certain scenario's.
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ducki
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Originally posted by Nuclear Master
If multiplayer doesnt get better I dont know if I will buy it. I dont want to always check the ping of people. What if some people dont have low pings. Do they just miss out. |
If MP is your only reason for buying PtW, then wait.
If, however, you think 8 new Civs, much-improved AI and Barbarian "tactics", new units, new improvements, new Wonder, and most of all (at least for me) a much improved GUI are worth $30, then definitely upgrade.
To put it another way, as I have before, any game that comes out with Gamespy as it's matchmaker built-in is going to have problems for the first 2 or 3 months. You can count on it.
Summary:
Internet MP via Gamespy - never worth $30
A Mouthful of Improvements, Tweaks, and Additions - almost always worth $30.
The Joy of Upgrading Swordsmen all the way to Replaceable Parts - priceless.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Argh....How come all of you pay so much for movies? I pay 5 max...
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woody
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Originally posted by candybo
Hi, all... Let me clarify something. I'm really happy about the SP additions in PtW. As for MP, I can wait til it is fixed, NBD. I've been playing since Civ1, so I'll play whether there is MP or not.
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I've also bought every Civ game. But, since I'm not at all interested in MP in a Civ-type game (it's just way too long), I'm not going to buy PtW. It just doesn't have that much new stuff, and I'll never buy another Firaxis game until it's been out a few months, anyway.
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My point was just about the way Firaxis/Infogrames has gone about all this. It wasn't handled gracefully or with much concern for the established fan base, IMHO. That said, I think it's great that Soren, et al have been as forthcoming on the forums as they have.
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I agree, it kind of sucks for Civ3-only owners. But, they have to stop support some time, and at least 1.29f is fairly stable and free of serious bugs.
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ducki
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Maybe you can do all the stuff in the editor.
I don't want to - I'd rather play it than make it.
Also, you cannot tweak the AI in the ways that Firaxis did.
I think it's well worth $30.
Then again, I'm not bitter about MP not working well.
I also bought another Gamespy-included game this year and knew it would suck for Internet play.
Duh.
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ducki
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Originally posted by woody
I actually expect things to be finished when I pay for them.  |
If you've been in cryogenic suspension for the last 5 years, you might not have noticed that there are hardly any games released nowadays that don't need a patch.
If you buy a game upon release, you're going to get bugs, that's just the way the industry has gone.
I don't agree with it, but I at least recognize it as a reality of buying games upon release.
If you want fewer bugs, wait 3 months and buy it when the Europeans get it.
Me, I haven't had any problems.
The XP is awesome.
The AI changes are great, and it's more than just unit concentration, which is actually a bigger deal than you make it out to be.
For me the XP is worth every penny.
I don't play MP and couldn't care less. If I'd wanted to play MP, I'd have waited until they got gamespy fixed, which should be about the time the Europeans get the game.
I don't find the XP to be unfinished, bug-ridden, or, as some here would put it, a steaming pile.
I wouldn't go back to vanilla Civ3 if you paid me. The improvements are too many and too good.
From your lack of "real" debate, though, there's nothing I can say to change your mind. You're upset about feature X or cranky at the software industry in general, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's just that... an opinion... and no more valid or concrete than mine or anyone else's.
On another note, I'm glad you like playing in the editor. It's just not my cup of tea. Lots of people have made massive changes to vanilla Civ3 with the editor, many of them changes that made it into PtW - like the new Civs and new units - which is great. But not for me. I'll play mods, but don't want to bother with making them.
To me, it's a damn fine game with a great XP.
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