04-11-2002 06:08									#1
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Which is the lesser of the two evils? Thomas Hobbes felt that Tyrrany was prefferable, but i disagree. How do you feel on the subject?

	04-11-2002 06:27									#2
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At least with a Tyrany you always know who your enemy is. Tyrant vs. his/her subjects and vis-versa.

In Anarchy it's harder to know who'll stick by you and who'll stab you in the back for their own interests.

	04-11-2002 06:27									#3
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Tyranny, Absolute power corupts, but in anarchy all people are corrupted absolutly. (e.g. Enron, a result of no law in capitalism)

	04-11-2002 06:29									#4
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it's tyranny

one r and two ns

	04-11-2002 06:32									#5
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I would prefer anarchy. At least you have the chance to fight back if someone tries to screw you over. And in tyranny, it's a given that your rights are being abused and not so in anarchy.

	04-11-2002 06:32									#6
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I don't think an anarchy can exist for a long time. Sooner or later a leader or a group of leaders will emerge.

	04-11-2002 06:35									#7
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anarchy is order

	04-11-2002 07:05									#8
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I don't think Anarchy is an evil.

	04-11-2002 07:10									#9
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I'd prefer Anarchy. At least you will still have the freedom to act, think, and speak... and to break laws and crawl and grapple your way to survive. In tyranny, you have to do what the other guy tells you too.

	04-11-2002 07:12									#10
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I misspelled it on purpous.......

because..... well i didn't really mean to, sorry.

	04-11-2002 07:18									#11
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I dono, but id preferr tirany meself, just cuz id kiss the tirant's butt.

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	04-11-2002 08:33									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf I don't think an anarchy can exist for a long time. Sooner or later a leader or a group of leaders will emerge.

Correct. Probably a tyranasuarus.

	04-11-2002 09:07									#13
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Your chance of ending up at the bottom of a river is much higher in an anarchy. In a tyranny, there's just one person (or group of persons) who can screw you over. In an anarchy, everybody gets a chance to do it.

In other words, everybody is a mini-tyran in an anarchy.

	04-11-2002 09:11									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Your chance of ending up at the bottom of a river is much higher in an anarchy. In a tyranny, there's just one person (or group of persons) who can screw you over. In an anarchy, everybody gets a chance to do it. In other words, everybody is a mini-tyran in an anarchy.

Thats what I was trying to say.

	04-11-2002 09:25									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld I don't think Anarchy is an evil.

But certainly might makes right is?

	04-11-2002 09:37									#16
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I'd prefer anarchy.

	04-11-2002 09:37									#17
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I think they are basically the same thing. Tyranny is just Anarchy where someone has a much bigger 'gun' in comparison to everyone else.

	04-11-2002 11:55									#18
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the weak prefer tyranny
the strong prefer anarchy

	04-11-2002 12:00									#19
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No matter how strong you are, you are not stronger than a gun.

	04-11-2002 12:08									#20
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oh no, money can buy lots of guns with people willing to use them

and ask Saddam how Fear can get even more guns with people behind them.

	04-11-2002 12:20									#21
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In an anarchy, there's little to no authority, not only public, but private. What y'all describe as anarchy (where the strong screw over the weak, etc.) is absolutely antithetical to anarchism.

	04-11-2002 12:24									#22
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Yes?

What's to make sure the strong doesn't screw over the weak in an anarchy?

	04-11-2002 12:28									#23
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Depends on the anarchist you're talking to. Personally, I have no qualms with a reasonable police, court, and prison system. Some anarchists would say that in a socialist society, most crime wouldn't exist.

	04-11-2002 12:35									#24
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A Hobson's choice, but tyranny. There's an Arab saying, "better a hundred years of tyranny than one night of anarchy." Tyranny builds institutions that are later subverted to overthrow it. Even if it lingers, tyranny can allow art, science, and culture to flourish.

Anarchy is an adolescent fantasy that merely maims and kills.

	04-11-2002 12:44									#25
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Bullshit.

	04-11-2002 12:46									#26
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quote: Some anarchists would say that in a socialist society, most crime wouldn't exist.

So do these anarchists know any other people besides their mothers?

	04-11-2002 12:52									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Bullshit.

What an odd misspelling of "History."

	04-11-2002 12:59									#28
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quote: So do these anarchists know any other people besides their mothers?

They have a perfectly valid argument. There is absolutely no doubt most crime arises from poverty, directly or indirectly. Compare the crime rates between some inner city ghetto and a rich, rural area.

But I find it questionable that the abolition of a reformed police and prison system would reduce coercion enough to justify the crime such a society would have. I think they're stuck in the past, where prisons were universally hellholes, and the police was no different from the people they lock up.

	04-11-2002 13:03									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo They have a perfectly valid argument. There is absolutely no doubt most crime arises from poverty, directly or indirectly. Compare the crime rates between some inner city ghetto and a rich, rural area. But I find it questionable that the abolition of a reformed police and prison system would reduce coercion enough to justify the crime such a society would have. I think they're stuck in the past, where prisons were universally hellholes, and the police was no different from the people they lock up.

I mean really, I don't know much about these things but something that is able to provide everyone somewhat equal wealth doesn't sound like anarchy at all.

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	04-11-2002 13:03									#30
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quote: What an odd misspelling of "History."

I seriously doubt you have much historical knowledge of anarchist societies (Catalonia and other parts of Spain during the Spanish Civil War, certain parts of Mexico during the Mexican Revolution, the Ukraine after the Russian Revolution, the Paris Commune, etc.). There's no particular association with maiming and killing, and certainly some of these examples had flowering of science and culture at the time (particularly Catalonia).