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And the Nazi persecution of homosexuals wasn't quite that simplistic--they had many rationales, often conflicting, for why the eliminated anyone. |
Quite true, but that was one of their many justifications.
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What if through this research they found a way to eliminate homosexuality? Would anyone here be against it?
I dont think I would be against it, because I reckon being gay must be a hard life (more often than not).
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It would be easier to change society than change a few individuals? |
Easier isn't the question, it's what is morally right. After all, blacks only constitute about 14% of the population. Why shouldn't we change society to be more just to such people? Instead of repealing Jim Crow, we should have just worked on making everyone white?
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I guess the only thing outside of the attitudes of society that is a disadvantage for gays is that couples are unable to reproduce in the normal fashion. |
Yes, and that's hardly something worthy of genetic manipulation, since there is a wealth of options now available to gay couples for having children, including much-needed adoption (except in areas where bigotry prohibits such adoptions, of course, but that goes back to societal attitudes).
I don't think gays are substantially more unhappy or unhealthy than heterosexuals, and certainly not in places where society is accepting of gays. Plenty of heterosexuals have miserable lives due to various factors, including their love lives, and I don't see anyone advocating a genetic alteration for them.
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Caligastia
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Easier isn't the question, it's what is morally right. After all, blacks only constitute about 14% of the population. Why shouldn't we change society to be more just to such people? Instead of repealing Jim Crow, we should have just worked on making everyone white? |
Actually I think things are easier when there is only one race to worry about. Not that I think everyone should be genetically modified to look the same, but I think it will be a good thing when all the races of the world eventually blend.
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Yes, and that's hardly something worthy of genetic manipulation, since there is a wealth of options now available to gay couples for having children, including much-needed adoption (except in areas where bigotry prohibits such adoptions, of course, but that goes back to societal attitudes).
I don't think gays are substantially more unhappy or unhealthy than heterosexuals, and certainly not in places where society is accepting of gays. Plenty of heterosexuals have miserable lives due to various factors, including their love lives, and I don't see anyone advocating a genetic alteration for them. |
It would be hard to justify a blanket policy of genetically manipulating gays out of existence, but I would support the right of parents to alter their child if they didn't want it to be gay.
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Amadan
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Originally posted by Caligastia
What if through this research they found a way to eliminate homosexuality? Would anyone here be against it?
I dont think I would be against it, because I reckon being gay must be a hard life (more often than not). |
Suicide rates for gay teens are 4x the average.
I would still be against it, just as I would be against using genetic testing to select for other traits -- such as skin color.
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Yes, and that's hardly something worthy of genetic manipulation, since there is a wealth of options now available to gay couples for having children, including much-needed adoption (except in areas where bigotry prohibits such adoptions, of course, but that goes back to societal attitudes).
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Boris, I agreed with you on all what you said here, but this last one, gay couples having children is for me still something hard to accept.
I think the problem is more complex than just bigotry.
From what I heard from psychologists, a child needs some kind of reference/example to discover and build up its sexual identity. When the child has a mother AND a father, it has an example of both (a choice!!).
I don't know much about gay couples (exept the popular picture of one playing the guy and the other playing the girl, but how true is it ...?), but I doubt that children of gay couple really have an objective example of both sexes.
I may well understand that a gay child of a hetero couple also has a problem of sexual identity, but think that statistically, more children will have problems if more children were raised by gay couples.
BTW: I noticed on this forum the words "gay" and "straight" are used. Is "homo" and "hetero" offending in english?
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Amadan
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I may well understand that a gay child of a hetero couple also has a problem of sexual identity, but think that statistically, more children will have problems if more children were raised by gay couples.
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From the (limited) studies done, a child raised by gay or lesbian parents is no more likely to be gay than a child raised by strait parents.
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