09-11-2002 08:33									#1
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Not only has our court and trial system been found wanting in certain respects but so is our penal system.
What are the possible punishments to suit the crime, from casting into the recycling tanks to nerve stapling to a life sentence cleaning the rec. comms.
Suggestions welcome for both the crime and punishment and then all of us and Mr President can pass sentence on Lemmy.

For bad jokes it could be 1 week writing backwards in all posts to every utterance having the letters l.e.m.m.y included,well maybe not

	09-11-2002 09:03									#2
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How exactly has our court and trial system been found wanting?

	09-11-2002 14:06									#3
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quote: How exactly has our court and trial system been found wanting?

I only got convicted for 2 charges

Minimum punishment for all crimes, 1 day in prison!

	09-11-2002 16:10									#4
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quote: I only got convicted for 2 charges

How's that a failure of the judicial system? You were innocent of the other ones, after all.

	09-11-2002 16:24									#5
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I say that the punishment for Use of Bad Humour should conscription into the role of Cabinet Jester, who is obliged to make at least 1 joke every 15 minutes. Failure to do so, or further bad humour, should be punished through pelting with rotten vegetables.

	09-11-2002 17:33									#6
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Re Trial: It was unclear who was the defence lawyer. Though the discussion to and fro between the legal teams and the public gallery was illuminating, few witnesses were called nor was their testimony subject to traditional courtroom cross-examination.

I would have expected the judge to intervene more and accuse many in the public gallery of contempt of court.

Also as has been noticed the conviction rate v the charges was low.

Further not enough people used latin quotations. Any decent court room would be littered with fine latin quotes. I think we had 2. Call this a court.

Finally there was inadequate amounts of alcohol available while the court was adjourned.

I am sure Mein General when your case comes to court (I haven't forgotten your murky post record) that you want the best legal brains (those uneaten) to conduct your defence.

	09-11-2002 17:34									#7
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I suggest a punishment should be the use of a different latin phrase in his next 20 posts and excluding base names.

	09-11-2002 18:27									#8
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quote: I say that the punishment for Use of Bad Humour should conscription into the role of Cabinet Jester, who is obliged to make at least 1 joke every 15 minutes. Failure to do so, or further bad humour, should be punished through pelting with rotten vegetables.

But if one is found guilty of using bad humor, then it is already established that one can't use humor, therefore this punishment will automatically result into pelting with rotten vegetables.

	09-11-2002 19:34									#9
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I'm fine with pelting with rotten vegetables...

Actually, I'm fine with everything except putting him into prison, jail or any variation of those two. We are more imaginitive then that, right?

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	09-11-2002 19:54									#10
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[edit]bah, editing posts should be forbidden [/edit]

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	10-11-2002 02:13									#12
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quote: But if one is found guilty of using bad humor, then it is already established that one can't use humor, therefore this punishment will automatically result into pelting with rotten vegetables.

Consider it job retraining, so that when your sentence is over you can make some decent jokes.

quote: I am sure Mein General when your case comes to court (I haven't forgotten your murky post record) that you want the best legal brains (those uneaten) to conduct your defence.

What murky post record?

	10-11-2002 11:50									#13
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Sorry for not intervening in the trial too much, but I didn't have much time around that period. I'll try and do better next time.

Would you like me to pass sentence soon? Perhaps once we get the penalties sorted out.

	10-11-2002 16:47									#14
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I think all citizens should have a three-day "visit" to the punishment sphere's if they are found guilty of violating Peacekeeper laws.

	10-11-2002 18:26									#15
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Yes Mr President but give it one more day for punishment suggestions

	11-11-2002 11:11									#16
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For the Little Theft Mikrocredits, I suggest (as Maniac is currently doing) that Lemmy be required to pay the Rec Commons bills for every citizen of the UNP.

	11-11-2002 18:17									#17
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Yay!

	11-11-2002 20:42									#18
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And if i refuse to pay, or don't have the credits to pay?

	11-11-2002 21:52									#19
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You will be declared bankrupt and barred from holding directorships.

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Ooh, that's harsh. Can we prevent someone from doing their job since they have no money? The right to work is one of the human rights and we as Peacekeepers should respect those rights.

And working would be the best way to fix the costs. You could sentence his salary to be transferred to the Rec Commons' accounts, I'm sure Maniac can arrange it.

I did, after all, say that thing in Lemmy's signature...

	12-11-2002 00:06									#21
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So when will the verdict come? I have a growing gap in the Rec Commons income/expenses balance.

	12-11-2002 12:16									#22
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We might require Lemmy to work overtime and transfer the payments to his debt...

	12-11-2002 13:16									#23
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i get payed for this job!?

	12-11-2002 13:40									#24
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Well, I certainly am. Where do you think all those 'campaign contributions' to senior government officials came from?

	12-11-2002 14:47									#25
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Should I pass sentence? Just say when you're ready to hear it, I think I've got it figured out.

	12-11-2002 14:56									#26
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Might as well - this thread seems to be little more than anyway.

	12-11-2002 15:40									#27
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Mr President go ahead. This thread has given you a range of possibilities. even if it was polled it would still be up to you to determine the sentence.

There should be a sentence for each guilty charge. There seems to be feeling that Lemmy shouldn't be sent to jail / prison but hung drawn and quartered seems OK

	12-11-2002 15:51									#28
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Yeah.

One last time - Mr. President, don't jail him. Please. It would be exactly what he wants you to do.

	12-11-2002 19:32									#29
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Don't jail me....remember this case could be used as an example in other cases, you really want to set a precedent now?
Not jailing me would be like saying that a Director is more important and treated less harsh then any other citizen.
Also you can't take anything i said seriously, since i'm after all a convict.
By not putting me in jail, you're also setting another precedent, that to avoid jail, all you have to do is make others believe you want to go to jail.

	12-11-2002 21:21									#30
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By not putting him in jail, but instead making him to work in the benefit of the faction, what's wrong there?
Besides, Mr. President won't judge all cases. If that's not enough deterrent, then what is?
Additionally, we are the Peacekeepers! We should have no crime among us in the first place. Crime is the symptom of a sickness in this case, not something that should be a cause to throw people to rot in jail.

My last reasoning is - we haven't had the time to build a jail yet!