09-11-2002 08:38									#1
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So what do you think? Who has the best Special Forces?
It doesn't have to be secret military type of forces, we could even count police in (atf is very effective demolishing a house of no good punks!). If they are official (or secretly official), have guns and kill people and are legal (no mobsters etc.), they match the criteria.
Let's not think about how they are backed up, obviously the US forces would be dominating. Only their own tactics and weapons are to be taken into consideration.

So.. who has them and why? It's fairly safe to say there are dozens of countries with effective badass groups, so think about it before you answer. You can answer more than one, but put them in order.

For examples I give you from the US Delta, SWAT, LAPD, Green Berrets etc.. from Britain we have SAS, from Russia we have Speznaz (or how do you spell it).. etc.

My vote goes for our team bear! And that's because unlike others, they are like a group of 3 men and everytime they have a mission, they shoot the bad guys in the leg, send the dogs and kill if they have to. They can fly any kind of planes, drive any kind of vehicles from Lada to SUV to APC. They can all speak 12 languages and they watch Daniel La Russos moves from video every night. Nah.. for real I'd have to say ummm French Foreign Legions paratrooper commandos.

There's a big advantage for countries that are always having troubles, because others won't get the media time, or action at all. So, what's your pick?

	09-11-2002 08:44									#2
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1. British SAS

2. US Delta Force

3. Russian Spetnaz

Not that there is a huge difference between any of the top flight Special Forces groups. They are all at an insanely high level. The Israelis and Germans are just as good as the ones I named.

	09-11-2002 08:47									#3
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"For examples I give you from the US Delta, SWAT, LAPD, Green Berrets etc.. from Britain we have SAS, from Russia we have Speznaz (or how do you spell it).. etc."

LAPD, like Los Angeles Police Department?

*cough* *cough*

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They all are extremely good and motivated. If pitted against one another, it all would come down to luck, and the number of resources each force has at its disposal.

	09-11-2002 08:56									#5
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UR, LAPD is legal, group with guns and official.. and they kill too you know . It was just an example.. Some countries might not have their own military special forces that we know of, but they might have tough special cops who are the very special forces if war happens.

I also agree with others, they are all very good. But there are more than the americans, brits and russians..

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The Brits also got SBS, and the US got a whole bunch, and, um, my dad is bigger than your dad?

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No way, my dad is bigger than anyone elses, and he knows karate..

I'd bet some of the Asian countries have good forces.. They must train them from the age of 4 weeks or something.

	09-11-2002 09:09									#8
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Hm, I think Japan, China, SK and DPRK (NK) have the biggest chance of having some badarse special forces.

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	09-11-2002 09:15									#10
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Could be.. they have that attitude right from the beginning.. they're small and quick by nature, slim and in good shape. So they can be very selective, but so are others. I bet they have a problem with suspects 'accidentally' dying in the hands of the cops, they have that magic touch. And if the cops are so tough, and they didn't get into special forces... uhh makes you think!

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SAS, end of story, and I'd take the Isralis (sp) over Delta Force any day of the week!

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever SAS, end of story, and I'd take the Isralis (sp) over Delta Force any day of the week!

Would you mind telling us your expertise in special forces and how you come to this conclusion.

Hint. computer games dont count.

	09-11-2002 11:43									#13
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British?

Thugs off the streets of London?

Every nation thinks they have the best ones. The Norwegian Special Commando think they are among the best in the world. The USA certainly used them in Afghanistan. They might be good in cold mountanous areas. That's why the British and Americans come to us for practise. But best in the world?

	09-11-2002 11:58									#14
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Yeah, if you're gonna say SAS or other famous forces, please tell why. We have all seen andy mcnabs butt running in Iraq and getting his ass beaten, but that doesn't count really. SAS must be one of the best, but the best? Anything to back you these up?

I honestly think, that the toughest forces comes from a small country that has been in a war for a long time.. on and off kind of war. They've been growing up in war, they know what it's all about, and they must be good if they have survived and are in special forces. Plus their motivation must be excellent. Then again, these kind of guys are all over the world..

.. but the toughest are not loud and market themselves. They just keep quiet and are just mean hardcore killers. They're the kind that kills the village for fun and take the babies to fill their snackpacks for later BBQ. They don't like tea!

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quote: I honestly think, that the toughest forces comes from a small country that has been in a war for a long time.. on and off kind of war. They've been growing up in war, they know what it's all about, and they must be good if they have survived and are in special forces. Plus their motivation must be excellent. Then again, these kind of guys are all over the world.. .. but the toughest are not loud and market themselves. They just keep quiet and are just mean hardcore killers. They're the kind that kills the village for fun and take the babies to fill their snackpacks for later BBQ. They don't like tea!

Greeks

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Greeks special forces? Or Greeks in general? Why? Give us some info about Greek special forces..

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Not Greeks in general

Greek katadromeis are fairly tough I think.

How would katadromeis be translated in English I don;t really know.

Next best is Greek amphibian demolition teams


And some other squads lik those of unorthodox warfare (these are also very dangerous).

I think they are quite good. they keep getting all the top marks in joint NATOexercies that's all I know about them... They must be fairly good.

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Oh and I have seen the amphibian teams jump from an airplane at night directly into tjhe freazing sea when i was in the army as a cozy conscript. i shivered just bylooking at them

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Must of been cool to witness that..

I've had only one chance of seeing some small stuff, like guys coming down from roof by a rope, head first and other pretty lame stuff.

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It was cool, also a bit unbelivable

also their quarters were somewhat close to ours for some time with a wall seperating them and we were adviced by the "old guns" not to approach them

a advice i followed

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i was about to go to the midnight guard on the outer periphery of the camp when i saw them.

a plane flying low and one by one jumping to the sea. i stood there watching like an idiot

	09-11-2002 13:04									#22
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Is sisu helpful to the Finnish armed forces? It was important in the Winter War?

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Of course it's helpful.. I think it's our special weapon since we are not a country with big budgets.
When you don't have all those jets, you have to compensate it with something. Not very good compensator, but better than nothing.

Back to topic.. I'm wondering if there's any known African special forces.. Would be interesting to know. Or are they regular army, and mercs are considered special forces?

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quote: Originally posted by Pekka I honestly think, that the toughest forces comes from a small country that has been in a war for a long time.. on and off kind of war. They've been growing up in war, they know what it's all about, and they must be good if they have survived and are in special forces. Plus their motivation must be excellent. Then again, these kind of guys are all over the world..

*whistles*

	09-11-2002 15:58									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Would you mind telling us your expertise in special forces and how you come to this conclusion.

i'm a ninja, and the SAS have been my most troublesome opponents.

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Anyone know anything about the Australian Norforce. I read an article in the South China Morning Post and the guys sound pretty good.

	09-11-2002 18:45									#27
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My country has some good units too...

The Spanish Legion: http://www.geocities.com/spanish_legion2001/FOTOS.htm

The Spanish Marines (UOE):
http://www.revistanaval.com/infanteriademarina/
http://www.specwarnet.com/europe/UOE.htm

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever i'm a ninja, and the SAS have been my most troublesome opponents.

http://pratt.edu/~alexrich/ninjas/index2.html

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Clearly enough... our very own Mossad!

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The best special forces are the dead special forces.

I liked Stallone's act in Rambo II, btw...
(yes the one where he's hiding in the woods, killing sheriff deputys and feds)