10-11-2002 03:25									#91
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no Ming. yopu are wrong. it 9s about pilitics AND economics.

why ou ar so relunctant to admit it idint know.

again i offerd you your state department assessemtns. thank god im drunk (would never affec t me in seriosu matters ) and tyhqnk godmore it is now published.



opec, no matter who it will try to control prises will not get in the way of tha fact that:

againm



US companeis will aget the ep[loration/eploitation rights under an pro US regime in iraq.


and yes proices wiol fall, who said anything different? after one year. for all

US copmanies will be in an advantageous position o profit.


it is this Ming. internal US Politics like you say but also amnd MORE erconomics.

	10-11-2002 03:26									#92
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I can say the same... I don't understand how you can keep to your one trick troll. You refuse to look at reality, even as it hits you across the back of the head.

But that's ok, we are used to that from you

	10-11-2002 03:28									#93
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Ming. dont get cheap on me.

You havent refuted any of myu "arguments"

because they are not arguments they are your and euro assessemnts.

Dont go low, plase

	10-11-2002 03:34									#94
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A friendly Iraq can also serve as a base to put more pressure on Iran and Saudi Arabia. Given that Turkey is bordering Iraq, we can have potential NATO expansion all the way down to the Persian Gulf.

BTW, Europeans and Japanese are more dependent on ME oil than the US. They probably can reap even bigger profits if Iraq is brought under US control.

As Iran, we will have a far easier time to set up infiltrations or propagandas against the current ruling theocratic oligarchs(who have become highly unpopular nowadays).

Finally, getting cheap Iraqi oil will finally give us some leverage against those back-stabbing Saudis. If they don't stop funding the terrorists, we can either stop paying them at all or have an easy invasion into their oil fields.

	10-11-2002 03:38									#95
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hmm, lots of typos. Ming, Paiktis is drunk. leave him alone.

In any case, what's the buff. If the US gets to put it's puppet regime in Baghdad, Americans will get cheap gas, Iraq will be rich from oil , and EVERYONE WINS! what's the problem?

	10-11-2002 03:41									#96
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in vinoi veritas


two things Ming will not acceot:


1) US will have losses fro m war - refuted by their own state deprtment,. in mediuk term - huigely beneficial .


2) US weil buy oil like veryone else.

yes true. and oil porices will fall.


but US companies wilkl get eploration adn expolitation rights magniufigning their profits to infinitum,.


thats it.

Ming you can understand what im saying cant you?

i amy be drunk but it is simply company leitourgics (sorry for going to greek to explain )

	10-11-2002 03:41									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel In any case, what's the buff. If the US gets to put it's puppet regime in Baghdad, Americans will get cheap gas, Iraq will be rich from oil , and EVERYONE WINS! what's the problem?

The problem lies that someone will die before everything is happy again.

	10-11-2002 03:43									#98
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this and also that ireaqi poeople will suffer under the new regime ore than with sadam


also that the US poewr will be left uncontrolled.

who next?

you get the idea.

	10-11-2002 03:44									#99
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No paiktis22... you are using the "assesments" (and that's all they are, they may not even be correct) and saying that is the rational for Bush's war on Iraq. You seem to think that the assesments are the driving force.
And that's where you are wrong... Whether the assesments are correct or not, NONE of them claim that they are the rational for attacking Iraq. They are only stating that they may be the results of attacking and winning...

So again... it's all about politics. IF (and that's a big if) everything goes perfectly, and nothing goes wrong, it MAY mean lower oil prices for the US (again, no guarantees here). You are trying to link the two, where no link actually exists. So quote your "assesements" all you want... they aren't relevent.

	10-11-2002 03:45									#100
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But they would die sooner or later anyway, who cares?

	10-11-2002 03:46									#101
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Politics are driven by asssessments Ming. Particularly your own assessments and that of top euortw@ats.

it is about interna politics but also about ecnomics whcih are gguided by top assessemnts .

it is smiply that


IMNO economiocs go first or close by with politics internal.


you can disagree. but is this the poiiunt?


i think no.

	10-11-2002 03:46									#102
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Ming, arguing with paiktis is like trying to argue with a brick wall. If you provide a link he will ignore it.

	10-11-2002 03:49									#103
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we have a smiley for this , fez.

	10-11-2002 03:51									#104
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provide whatever you want.

what i said makjes sense, the assessments make sence both american and europen and Ming is free to decide on this:

1) internal politics are #1
2) economics are #1


i say they both are both that this is not the point .



whatever Ming

	10-11-2002 03:51									#106
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If US is willing to assume direct control after crushing Saddam, Iraqi people would be much better off afterwards. Just name a country whose economic situation and living standard are worse off after the US took over.

The biggest risk lies in US stalling in their offensives, turning the whole war into yearlong attritions.

	10-11-2002 03:55									#107
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Again paiktis22... you ignorance of US politics is amazing.

Rule one... Get in Office...
Rule two... Stay in Office...
Rule three... Repeat as often as needed

It is purely politics. The Americans still want revenge, and Bush is giving it to them. Right or wrong, the majority of people think this is a good thing. The Dems tried to fight him on this, and look what it got them... a back seat for the next two years.

If there is some cash to be made, well, that's a bonus. Buy again, the "assesements" are only opinions, and may not happen. The driving force behind this is politics, not economics. And your posts aren't going to change that.

But keep trolling... that's what we have come to expect from you

	10-11-2002 03:58									#108
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No Miong. you get low one me!


politics are the same everywhere and i dont underestimate the politics factor.

however the economics factor is also potent.

and i believce as potent as bush staying in office.


you can be free to disagree.


but you are wrong. economics define poltiics in many levesl;.

but by now we disagree on minor levels so its ok


dont say its rtolling if you canty think of anything else.

thgats low

cheers (honest)

	10-11-2002 04:04									#109
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 however the economics factor is also potent. and i believce as potent as bush staying in office.

Thanks for the victory. Your original statements was that this was ALL about oil. (Which you posted MANY times)

Now, after many posts on my part and others, you admit that it is ALSO about Bush staying in office.

It's so nice when Apolyton can be used to change people's misguided opinions. Glad to help you on this one paiktis22

	10-11-2002 04:06									#110
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But it is about oil

the fact that it is bout Bush also staying at office doesnt change the first.

it is satill about america's wants agains the world


anbd permit me to think that it is far more abpot oil and mercan companies since they are allowing Bush the throne

	10-11-2002 04:08									#111
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quote: But it is about oil

No it isn't. If it is prove it.

	10-11-2002 04:09									#112
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its is about maericas ecnomy.

and bush is using terrorism yo saty at office qand attack iraq for us economy.

never said antyhing else


jsut proved that economcially a war against iraq will be sound and profitable for the US

	10-11-2002 04:11									#113
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Paiktis: Are you drunk? If not use spell check.

	10-11-2002 04:12									#114
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 the fact that it is bout Bush also staying at office doesnt change the first.

Your original statements were that it was "ALL" about oil. But unfortunately, you fell into the trap by admitting that it is probably equally both when you posted the following.

quote: however the economics factor is also potent. and i believce as potent as bush staying in office.

You admit there are multiple factors, factors which very well may be equal in importance... not just a SINGLE factor as your original posts indicated.

So again, another classic example of Apolyton changing somebodies opinions. Glad to help you on this one

	10-11-2002 04:14									#115
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Ming, no probelm.


So it is also about Bush satying in office.


We just dont care much about this.


whoever rules america is the same.

what will happen out of a war agansit iraq is cheap oil for US.


the fact(?) that bush will stay in the throne of he attacks iraq only weighjts against american's common sense and the "link" between economic (company) and poilitical power in teh US may I say?


the end result is the same.

war on iraq for oil (and concequitly bush staying in power).


sure i accept this. never said anything different

	10-11-2002 04:20									#116
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 So it is also about Bush satying in office. We just dont care much about this.

This from the guy who posted how Americans are all stupid for putting that idiot Bush in office...



And how Bush will lead the world to war...



But you don't care less about this...



Maybe you should stop drinking or stop posting... You are far to easy to abuse when you are in this state

	10-11-2002 04:24									#117
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Ming, another one than Bush would be welcomed in the world community.



however it is you that dont understand completely how euros think this time


what is matters is what the US DOES not who's ruling it.

permit us to have our reservations when a guy like bush is ruling it and being proiven correct?

	10-11-2002 05:07									#118
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AFAIU, the agitation (in general) about Iraq is primarily about oil and geopolitics.
The incoming war (this particular method) in Iraq is about giving Bush a boost for next elections

	10-11-2002 09:25									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Fez If the US Army has read the Art of War, by Sun Tzu and every other military strategy book... it will be set. Lets hope the strategists in the Defense Department understand what the situation is...

You know what Sun Tzu said about war, esp. the kind of street fighting that Saddam vowed to conduct?

	10-11-2002 18:59									#120
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Well UR stop mocking the **** out of me... it makes you look very stupid.

They must find a way to avoid that.