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Where should the New Palace be located
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| Timeline, where we had originally planned |
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9 |
21.95% |
| Macross City |
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9 |
21.95% |
| Here It Is |
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1 |
2.44% |
| Some other City or wait on the move |
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18 |
43.90% |
| The Banana will know the best action to take (Abstain) |
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4 |
9.76% |
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41 voters |
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E_T
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:23
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As concerns after my publishing of the Construction Shack - 870AD (and beyond) Corruption & Waste Statistics Report have been expressed, I'm posting this poll about our decision to move the Palace to Timeline. As the figures show, this would most likely not be a good choice for the move.
In that report, I also showed figures for Macross City & Here It Is, as these two cities are the best developed to start a build up towards moving the Palace to them within a reasonable amount of time and cost. But these might not be the ultamate choice for the nation and this poll will also explore other alternatives with the option to vote for some other city.
Currently, Timeline is building the Palace and could be switched to either a Bank or University without losing any shields. But this decision must be made before the next turnchat, as this opportunity to switch will only last 1 turn for a Bank and 3 turns for a University (before being completed on the next turn.
Of the other possibilities, Macross City has the needed Prerequisites for the Palace build. It is size 12, but would need some Infrastructure changes to help decrease the TOC. Currently, the Palace could be built in 70 turns from start or 64 turns if the current build of a Library (1 shield left) is changed to the Palace.
Here It Is also has the Prerequisites for the build. It is currently at Size 9, but is rapidly increasing. It will need some Mountains Mined, to bring up full production and decrease the TOC. Currently, the Palace could be built here in 60 turns from start or 56 turns if the current build of a Library (1 turn left) is changed to the Palace. This TOC estimate would require greatly reducing this cities growth rate and might require adding a worker or two to the city. If the Growth rate is kept, the TOC's would be 82 turns from scratch and 76 turns with the switch.
In either case, we need the Libraries. But we'll also be losing the GA in about 6 turns. This part will be left for thread debate.
The Palace Move is a necessity, for the continued Growth of our nation while keeping our cities (current and future) as productive as possible.
I'll post an update corruption report thread soon and I'll link it in to this Poll.
This Poll will last for 5 days, but might be extended if there is enough of a public desire for it. An Extension might cause a delay in the next schedualled turnchat.
[EDIT] Add the link to Construction Shack - 940AD (and beyond) Corruption & Waste Statistics Report. It has some further Information on this issue.
E_T
Last edited by E_T on 12-11-2002 at 11:43
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:23
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While I haven't researched this issue to the extent that I'm sure others have, I sense that Timeline would be superior for the following reason:
Timeline is SIGNIFICANTLY closer to Mingapulco province and Uber Isle than the various sites in French-annexed territory.
Also, Timeline is within the bounds of the Apolytonian heartland... considering that we essentially have the game "won" and we can put the palace whereever we damn please, we can afford to use sentiment to trump some marginal increase in income here (if such an increase exists, which it may very well not).
As such, I think that the the Apolytonian ethnic group and the heartland of traditional Apolyton would consider it an intollerable affront to move the capital of the republic out of traditional Greater Apolytonia and into occupied France!
I'm sure that if Duddha were still around, the ARE would offer us a forceful argument toward this. Oddly enough, even though I have very little sentiment with the ARE or even of the MPP (which certainly also opposes moving the capital into occupied France), I would be equally opposed to moving the palace so far away from Apolyton - our namesake and the true center of all that is glorious and Apolytonian!
Why would the Apolytonian Republic rule Apolyton from far-off France, an inferior nation we rightly conquered?
Last edited by Arnelos on 11-11-2002 at 11:49
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E_T
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:23
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Actually, of all of the choices, Macross City is the best. Apolyton it good for what we have now, but it will improve with the palace in Macross City. We currently have 12 cities that are FP centric, the rest (36) are Palace Centric. With the move to Timeline, there is no difference, except to make some of our best producing cities 2nd & 3rd rate. If it's moves to Macross, the numbers become more balanced with 21 being FP centric and 27 being Palace centric. HII would be FP:18, Pal: 30. The move to HII would possibly (I didn't include those cities in my figures) allow us to expand further south that we have originally planned, by current provence bounderies.
Personally and Professionally, Macross City is the best. This will also give that area a higher cultural output against Greece and for when we do go get Alex.
E_T
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:23
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quote:
Originally posted by E_T
Personally and Professionally, Macross City is the best. This will also give that area a higher cultural output against Greece and for when we do go get Alex.
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Bah! Nonsense!
Our capital is APOLYTON and APOLYTON it should remain! Are WE not "APOLYTON"? Are we not named after mighty "APOLYTON"? Is not our nation called "APOLYTON-ia"? Are not the g0dZ that have mercifully granted this civiliation its life and liberty "the gOdZ of APOLYTON"?
What, may I ask, have we fought these great wars of conquest for - taking over many inferior lands and bringing to them the enlightenment of APOLYTON - if now we are to disgrace this entire heritage by moving the seat of power away from glorious Apolyton and into the heathen lands we rightly conquered?
Will not the g0dZ be angered that we have forgotten our way? That we, in our thirst for bringing these alien peoples closer to ourselves will allow ourselves to be seperated from our tradition - to lose our way?
Forbid it, oh Great Banana! As the religious civilization that we are, we should remain true to our g0dZ and retain APOLYTON as our rightful seat of power - lest we tempt the punishment of our angry g0dZ!
Last edited by Arnelos on 11-11-2002 at 13:22
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E_T
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:23
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Whoo, what a pot I've stirred.....
Donegeal, such comments. No, this would not be become a court issue, in any way, shape or form......And even though you've lapsed (because of PTW) your Pina Coloda RA position, I haven't made any moves to fire you, even now.
That said, I too had previously voted for Timelime. AT THE TIME, I wasn't fully aware of the complete aspects of the calculations for corruption, as I am now. I had thought that there was a middle ground where BOTH the Palace and the FP had overlaping influance and the corruption would be less in the middle areas. It wasn't until I had become MoCP that I had fully investigated the complete corruption issue. I had even asked Donegeal if he could try to work on a spreadsheet for me, while I was working on other things. He was unable to, because of not having a good mathamatical background and was sufficiently inexperianced with Excel to implement it ([shouting into the background] and one of Donegeal's claims is that I don't try to delegate some of my work[/shouting]).
After doing the initial spreadsheet, I was starting to have the feeling that we had made a mistake in our initial choice, but I didn't have actual verifiable facts, until I had just recently revamped my spreadsheet to include the FP. That's when the alarms started to go off and I had made my first posts about the issue and then provided the proof.
I have now left it up to the publics opinion to take this new information and make a new decision, based on the new facts. The final vote is up to them, I don't have any Brownshirts running around in the background. Nor have I fired anybody, just because they don't agree with the way that I've done somethings in their particular provences or that I might be wrong an any particular issue. As a matter of fact, I applude them, because that helps (at least I hope so) to keep me on my toes and keep aware of anything that I might have missed that has be already decided.
If I had wanted to take over this game, I'd just download the save and play it at home, without all of the headaches that would come from this position. Or I could cook up what ever information that I want the public to see, and then sway them via that kind of falsehood. The spreadsheets that I provide are for the publics benifit, so that they don't have to open the game every time that they want to know something about any issue that they might have. A Democracy runs best when the people are properly informed.
E_T
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11-11-2002 11:21
(you see, it's ironic, because I'm a jew and this was kindof a Jewish joke... get it? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Uhh... nevermind.)
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