13-11-2002 22:41									#1
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Iroquois:

ok, in this thread , we have allready decided to take the Iroquois as our civ. *

The obvious question. WHAT NEXT!
What's our early strategy, science...,build que,...etc.

We begin with pottery & cerimonial


your move


* hypothetically

Edit: to prevent more wise a$$ comments

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	13-11-2002 22:45									#2
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y'know alva, just underlining a word doesn't make it a link ....

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	13-11-2002 23:56									#3
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet BTW: I FP promise never to make any jokes anymore, at Alva's expense. Afterall, he's is the greatest being ever to roam the earth

	14-11-2002 01:10									#4
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I will attempt to be serious.

My first move is:

send out scout, to a hut if in view.
set the build order to be: scout-warrior (dependent of course on difficulty level and distance from enemies)
research wheel (hopefully we will be near an ai with warrior code)
mine whatever nearby tile is best: cow or wheat or shield if unlucky

send 2nd scout out the other direction or around the area
fortify warrior
build either another scout or a settler depending on city growth compared to settler production

*note if we build scouts first, we are more likely to pop a city or settler, since we will have less than the average number of cities.

In the alternate, re:m reasearch. I have played games where I go for polytheism, gambling on getting wheel, wc, and horseriding from huts, but thats pretty risky.

	14-11-2002 03:46									#5
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet BTW: I FP promise never to make any jokes anymore, at Alva's expense. Afterall, he's is the greatest being ever to roam the earth

Where the f**k has that come from?

	14-11-2002 04:01									#6
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I'd say we go Wheel first. Then we can see if we are on top of horses or far away. We can then adjust accordingly.

Agree on the Scout-Warrior-Scout/Warrior...-Settler, with Settler timed for as near to 3 pop as possible.

And remember, we get no 'bad' results from huts (barbs) and we can get settlers so long as none of our cities has a settler in the que (as well as the must not be larger than average rule). Thus we want as many scouts as possible early.

	14-11-2002 04:10									#7
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I agree with researching The Wheel first. We have to know if we have horses near our start because this will effect everything we do. If we have to travel a fair distance to get Horses we need to know exactly where they are as soon as possible so we can stick a settler down there.

I also agree with building a few Scouts at the beginning. It's one of our main advantages so we should maximise it. If we can steal one or two of the huts near other players' start locations we can really hamstring them. Of course, if we find we're on a smallish island we should stop the Scout production, but that's just obvious.

	14-11-2002 04:15									#8
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Hey guys, don't mean to be rude and all, but where exactly is this thread in which we decided on the Irouqouis?

	14-11-2002 04:18									#9
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It's the Civ choice thread in this forum. We haven't 100% finally decided on the Iro's yet (alva jumped the gun a bit on that one ), but it is the clear favourite at the moment. It would take a big turn around for us to choose anyone else, but it might happen.

It is this thread .... oh wait ... underlining doesn't work on it's own does it? ( )

This is the real link. You've already posted in it, though.

	14-11-2002 04:19									#10
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quote: Originally posted by zeit Hey guys, don't mean to be rude and all, but where exactly is this thread in which we decided on the Irouqouis?

read the first post in the thread :P

	14-11-2002 04:25									#11
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That underlinded "this" isn't actually linking to anywhere, so, where is that thread?

	14-11-2002 04:29									#12
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quote: Originally posted by zeit That underlinded "this" isn't actually linking to anywhere, so, where is that thread?

read the second post

(alva just underlined hypothetically for, emphasis, not as a link, he's saying that, for the purpose of this thread, the civ of choice is the irquois. nothing sinister going on, i think)

	14-11-2002 04:29									#13
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I linked to it dude.

If in doubt, blame alva.

(I love alva really, anyone who uses a poem of mine (even a crap one) as their sig gets from me. )

	14-11-2002 04:32									#14
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what was the barb setting, random?

will play a role in our moves, if it is high activity.

	14-11-2002 04:34									#15
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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=66458

Random won, but only just. We'll have to keep a close watch out and try and judge how serious it is.

Can a Random Barb choice turn out NO BARBS? If so then we'll have to keep our fingers crossed it doesn't. No barbs means no goody huts.

	14-11-2002 04:36									#16
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=66458 Random won, but only just. We'll have to keep a close watch out and try and judge how serious it is. Can a Random Barb choice turn out NO BARBS? If so then we'll have to keep our fingers crossed it doesn't. No barbs means no goody huts.

hmm. Now THAT is a serious question. WE need to figure that out. I will run a few tests and see what happens.

tentatively, I would say that random would never pick no barbs or huts, but that may just be wishful thinking....

	14-11-2002 04:46									#17
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quote: And remember, we get no 'bad' results from huts (barbs) and we can get settlers so long as none of our cities has a settler in the que (as well as the must not be larger than average rule). Thus we want as many scouts as possible early.

That's why, I wanted to push for raging hordes, as it will hamper others more then it will us.

Wheel

	14-11-2002 05:00									#18
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I just ran 20 tests on a huge pangea

and....
19/20 had huts

the other I explored a vast amount of space, probably half the total landmass and found none. not sure what the story was.

another note: about half of the maps had a hut within view of the capitol city

	14-11-2002 05:05									#19
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just looked at that barb thread, random is up by one vote 23-22, so if anyone here hasn't voted in that thread....

	14-11-2002 05:23									#20
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Wow I didn't even think about the effect of that map poll! It was totally in the back of my head and I didn't even think about it...

asleepathewheel - i'm hoping everything will be fine, but very good pointing that out. That would be a MAJOR blow to our livelihood in the beginning of the game...

	14-11-2002 05:32									#21
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Our newer members maybe, maybe send a pm to everyone. So they can check it.
(wether they did infact vote)

ps: don't forget to tell them not to vote random

	14-11-2002 05:41									#22
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Nevermind,
Poll is closed

We could question the validity of the poll?

	14-11-2002 05:47									#23
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 Nevermind, Poll is closed We could question the validity of the poll?

hmm

That's unfortunate.

I have no idea how I voted, that seems to be a long time ago.

Something tells me they won't want to revote....and if more than one or two of us raise the issue, would cause eyebrows to raise.

ideas?

the percentages still lie with us, so...

	14-11-2002 05:54									#24
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we could argue;

1. the poll states how we want the barbarians. not if we want them or not.
But by choosing random, there is a possibily, that there are no barbs, therefore the poll is not correct.

so there should have a poll first if we even wanted barbs (or at least include it in the poll options)

not a completely waterproof argument, but we could get away with it
(and even get them thinking we don't want any barbs at all)

	14-11-2002 06:02									#25
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Don't vote Raging.

Barbs kill Scouts on contact.

	14-11-2002 06:02									#26
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 we could argue; 1. the poll states how we want the barbarians. not if we want them or not. But by choosing random, there is a possibily, that there are no barbs, therefore the poll is not correct. so there should have a poll first if we even wanted barbs (or at least include it in the poll options) not a completely waterproof argument, but we could get away with it (and even get them thinking we don't want any barbs at all)

Alva, I like your thinking!

I doubt it will fly, but who knows.

so we could argue that that poll was premature, when thr first question should have been if barbs were to be in the game at all.

hmm. ok

the others need to chime in, I think.

	14-11-2002 06:05									#27
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Don't vote Raging. Barbs kill Scouts on contact.

thats another thing to consider. must be a bit careful

	14-11-2002 06:13									#28
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We need to open more threads on different subjects,
and keep them more organised

	14-11-2002 06:17									#29
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A possibly convincing story but I don't know how much it'll fly. We should try to get our word in real subtle-like...I'll make sure to mention it in one of my posts, but as a side comment not to make it appear like a conspiracy...

	14-11-2002 06:17									#30
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 We need to open more threads on different subjects, and keep them more organised

ok, get on that