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Airse! Ye who refuse to be slaves! With our very flesh and blood....
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
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OK, looks like this Congress was totally as expected, except maybe Jiang did slightly better in supporting his allies and did slightly worse in protecting his own position.
But do we really know much about this Hu? It sounds as if the Chinese people don't know much about him and we know even less about him. The Western press doesn't have much to say about him, so they continue to talk about his rivals (as in the Post article Adam Smith referenced).
Anyway, there was an article yesterday in The Post about Li Ruihuan being "retired".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2002Nov13.html
That's a real shame. Seemed like he had a good idea of what to loose and what to hold bound (a tin ear seems to rule the roost most of the time). For instance, the following quote about Tianneman...
"The year before last, the college students created a disturbance. Was that a big deal? I think not. It was nothing but a few college students. The soldiers, the workers, and especially the 800 million peasants did not join in. So what's the fuss?"
Winston: I think the fact that Hu is a communist evil dirty bastard should be taken as a given. But I would still like to know about all of this stuff to try to get a feel for who this guy is and what his role is perceived to be (how he was groomed, etc.). Thanks for the data point.
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ranskaldan
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Beijing ~ Singapore ~ Toronto ~ All hail to the new Rome
Sep 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba
I kinda wish I lived in China- all that potential for a nation must be exciting times for them. |
Very true. It indeed is exciting times.
Anyway, here's an excerpt from a Chinese-language forum. You can take the contents to mean brainwashing, censorship, or both. Whatever. Personally I find little difference between the American and Chinese nationalism that I see online. Just look at the way a few pro-Tibetans were brutally flamed.
(Here's a link. It's in Chinese though, but you can see the graphics:
http://wsg11.com/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?...pic=134&show=22)
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A: Check it out, a "Free Tibet" map from Tibetan splittists!!
{map}
On their so-called independent "Free Tibet", they gave way all the land south of the MacMahon Line to India, in order to please Indian and Western forces supporting them. In order to win Indian support, they ceded Chinese land to India, - what betrayers they are of Tibet and China alike.
A: (another map)
(another map)
(another map)
(another map) - Look - all five poisons: Tibetan, Turkestani, Mongolian, Manchu, Taiwanese independence.
B: Mongolian? Manchu? Never heard of them. Probably dreamt up by some semi-insane person.
C: How big is China supposed to be, like that?!
D: Like the Northern Song dynasty!
(note: the Song dynasty was notorious for giving land away to barbarians.)
E: Mongolian independence is actually referring to Inner Mongolia, they go independent then merge with Outer Mong.
Manchuria? No one believes in a WW2 Manchukuo anymore.
As for the Tibetan govt-in-exile, they include all the areas that were mistakenly classified as Tibetan, like the Baimazang areas. By their logic, Indonesia is probably Chinese.
F: Land ain't food. Let them go independent.
G: {quoting E} Let's revive names like Di, Dangxiang etc.
(note: these were all ancient tribes in the Turkestani and Tibetan areas.)
H: (In English) Let these guys disappear from earth!
I: In their dreams.
A: The most disgusting isn't the splitting - they're spitting on the face of their ancestors. The 6th Dalai Lama was born in South Tibet, which is also holy to the Tibetans. But for independence, they're giving South Tibet freely to India.
H: (In English) Beat these guys!
E: Yeah, independence whatever, don't let them give away the lands that China fought to keep.
Vietnam is the best example. During Chinese suzerainity China couldn't keep Cochin China, but Vietnam conquered all of that. Only such form of independence is even meaningful.
J: (edited at xx/xx/xx xx:xx) F---ing watch it, some of you. I'm gonna curse your 18th ancestor. Land isn't useful, you f---ing get out of China.
J: (quoting F) When I see b----es like you I wanna ----! Die first, you ----, don't be the ---- of the Chinese race!
J: Differing opinions is fine, but I hate scum like you with no patriotic sense! Now it's peacetime, in war you'd be a traitor! Get the f--- out!
M: (moderator) (quoting F: Land ain't food. Let them go independent.) What the hell is this?! You're going over the line.
K: Racial scum!
L: Hahaha, let them go, us Chinese goes back to historical borders, during the Han and Tang.
N: Then why don't we go back to Shang borders? And Manchuria wasn't Han territory, you want to lose that too?
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Well the discussion fizzled out, like all of them. But there's some perspective from the other side.
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mindseye
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A Yankee living in Shanghai
Apr 1999
time: 13:23
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I kinda wish I lived in China- all that potential for a nation must be exciting times for them. |
It is truly thrillng to live here! It's hard to describe how exciting it is to see a new nation leaping into existance all around you. I was back in the US for ten days, when I returned I couldn't believe the changes in my neighborhood after such a short period!
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15-11-2002 13:25
Sorry, but I just had to. Please continue with your intelligent discussion.)
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