15-11-2002 19:29									#1
	I made game like civilization. How can I earn money with this game? Any idea? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I made a very funny game in Delphi3 (Visual Pascal).It got the "Best Game" & the "Best Programme" awards in my country. But i have no idea about how can I sell my game. It is 200Mbs and need 200Mhz Pentium, it has nearly 15000 line code.(It took my two year to finish game and all codes are mine.(no code from any civ adress like freeciv.))It is more strategic from Civilization serie.Its graphic quality is between Civ2 and Civ3.It has an intalligent ArtifficalIntelligence. And a lot of new idea about turn base games, for example you can shoot away squares with arrow and wind effect in my game like in worms game serie. Also PCWorld Turkey will give this games demo in December and will explain the game and screenshots.If you have got idea or imformation about game selling or joining a team like civ team please give me information about it.

I used unit pictures of civilization2 (with changes).Is it legal? If I ask Civilization team, are they allow me to use these unit pictures or must I draw new unit pictures?It is really so hard work to draw pictures,codding,making sounds,testing alone.Please understand me civilization team, I used your unit pictures, but I will change them before sell my game.

www.istila.oyunu.com
there isnt enought information for now.

Thanx to all replies.

Last edited by gumuso on 16-11-2002 at 04:01

	15-11-2002 19:33									#2
	Inflate your Upload Space

do the Greeks automaticaly do badly

	15-11-2002 19:37									#3
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If your game is that good, just contact a publisher such as EA or *cough* Infogrames &*cough*

	15-11-2002 19:38									#4
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Sorry, I have no experience with marketing, but from your description it sounds like you've made an impressive effort with the game. Good luck!

	15-11-2002 19:46									#5
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I think you should consult a lawyer which specializes on copyrights, and stuff like that. But I know about such a thing as much as the next guy, if not less.

	15-11-2002 22:08									#6
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First, you're going to need a lot of lawyers.

	16-11-2002 01:00									#7
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You should post this in the "Alternative Civs" section. This section of Apolyton hosts reviews and discussions of any civ-type game in any stage of developpment. However we (I was active in one puch project once) have never to date heard of such a big project. I am really interested about this. Can you post details? Can you post screenshots?

In Apolyton you can find tons of people interested to playtest your game, do suggestions about both coding and gameplay and perhaps promote it in it's first stages if it ever gets commercial.

	16-11-2002 01:18									#8
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people still visit the Alternative Civs section?

	16-11-2002 01:31									#9
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I would start by registering your copyrights in the US copyright office. Your code can be registered as a literary work. Your screen shots as a visual art.

Registering you copyrights is not that hard or expensive. The copyright office as a lot of explanation of how to do it, the forms to fill out, and the fees (small) to be paid.

Once you have your copyrights registered, you can share your code with prospective game publishers with confidence that they will not steal it.

Here is a link to the US copyright office:

http://www.copyright.gov/

	16-11-2002 01:34									#10
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(neonext is the creator of the civiliza project, a civ2 clone which is still in alpha status)

Then who should he contact?

Ron Hiler? Hasn't he resigned from alt.civ. moderator?

Mark Everson? He would be glad to help gumuso, since he is too planning to market his game, but he is no authority either.

The freeciv guys? They are experienced, but then they are into open source developpment.

MarkG? Perhaps if the site administrator took interest in the game, he could help it find it's way to the market. He was connected well enough to get the exclusive preview of Civ3, wasn't he?

Anayway, the first step is to post details in the Alt.Civs section and in any case stay in Apolyton: this is THE place to be, for anything that has to do with civ-type games. It is known that all big heads of the genre (Sid Meier, Brian Reynolds, Dan Magaha and the Firaxis crew) are frequently browsing Apolyton.

gumuso: Is your game really that big? I am astonished!

	16-11-2002 01:35									#11
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I do hope that you got someone else to do the translations for the game though

	16-11-2002 01:38									#12
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I believe the first step is copyrighting the game, and the second step is contacting a publisher somewhere.

	16-11-2002 01:43									#13
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Yes, try to sell it to the marketing people from CIVIII, they're in need of a good civ like game

RAH

	16-11-2002 01:44									#14
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You can self-publish like Stardock does with GalCiv and its other games. The author of GalCiv has talked a lot about what it takes to be an independent. You might want to check out his articles.

Good luck.

	16-11-2002 01:46									#15
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Well the man said that he wants to find a publisher and he asks what we can do for him. So do not tell him that he should get a publisher, that is pointless!!

Also, wouldn't he have to adress the turkish patent office, if he wants to copyright his game. I bet that he has already done that, otherwise he wouldn't have given the game to be awarded and previewed etc in Turkey.

Come on gumuso, you've made me really interested, enlighten us! Give us a few words. A link. Anything!

	16-11-2002 01:49									#16
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"Well the man said that he wants to find a publisher"

I reread his post and I can't find where he asks about a publisher.

	16-11-2002 01:52									#17
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Can't Markos pull his highly influential strings?

	16-11-2002 01:59									#18
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quote: Originally posted by axi (neonext is the creator of the civiliza project, a civ2 clone which is still in alpha status) Then who should he contact? Ron Hiler? Hasn't he resigned from alt.civ. moderator? Mark Everson? He would be glad to help gumuso, since he is too planning to market his game, but he is no authority either. The freeciv guys? They are experienced, but then they are into open source developpment. MarkG? Perhaps if the site administrator took interest in the game, he could help it find it's way to the market. He was connected well enough to get the exclusive preview of Civ3, wasn't he? Anayway, the first step is to post details in the Alt.Civs section and in any case stay in Apolyton: this is THE place to be, for anything that has to do with civ-type games. It is known that all big heads of the genre (Sid Meier, Brian Reynolds, Dan Magaha and the Firaxis crew) are frequently browsing Apolyton. gumuso: Is your game really that big? I am astonished!

My game is really big. For example if your city is neighboor with a desert this city's avarage temparature become up so you dont pay to warm yor city,if it neighboor with tundra you need to pay much to warm your city.
Visit the page www.softwarequest.org click on icon which contain small people picture and find "ISTILA STRATEJI OYUNU".AND GET INFORMATION IF YOU CAN.
First learn Turkish

	16-11-2002 02:00									#19
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quote: But why you are behaving like an enemy? I said only "I made a game." Why can I say lie to you?

Hey, you misunderstood me! I never doubted you. I am just really really interested and wanted to learn more about this. My advice is sincere. Really, Apolyton is the best place to promote your work. And I hope to see your project succeed. We definitely need independent develloppers around here, since gaming companies have repeatedly failed to please us (we are a difficult audience).

I'm off to visit that page and see...

	16-11-2002 02:03									#20
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quote: You can self-publish like Stardock does with GalCiv and its other games.

self-publishing requires having a whole company

gumuso feel free to post more info in the alt.civs forum
http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=115

we could certainly do a presentation of the game

	16-11-2002 02:05									#21
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quote: İstila Strateji Oyunu Daha once Sid Meier Ve ekibi tarafindan yapilmis olan civilzation 1-2-3 adli oyunlara benzer olan fakat yaratici fikirlerle kapsami genisletilmis ve her gecen gun kodlarina yeni satirlar eklenen (yani gelismekte) ve bence %95 inin bitmis oldugu bir strateji oyunu.(%5 lik bitmemis kısım aylardır duzelttigim buglar.) Oyun temel olarak oyunun dunyasindaki topraklardan verimli olanlari rakibinden once kapip oralara sehir kurmaya ve daha sonra bu sehirlerde yiyecek-hammadde-sanayi urunu-maden-vs uretip satmaya, sehirde bina insa etmeye, sehirlerin yakınlarına yol-tarla yapmaya ve daha sonra nufusu artan bu sehirlerden asker uretip ulkenin sinirlarini koruyup gelistirmeye dayaniyor.Ayni zamanda ilerlemekle yukumlu oldugunuz bilimsel calismalar var. Eger bilime yeterince onem vermezseniz diger ulkelerden geri kaliyorsunuz. Secebileceginiz 12 medeniyet bulunuyor ve bu medeniyetlerin her birinin farkli ozellikleri var. Mesela Cinliler'in nufusu diger ulkelerden daha hizli artiyor. Araplar bilimde diger ulkelerden geri kaliyor. Turkler ustun askeri yetenekleri sayesinde savaslardan genellikle galip cikiyor ama bilim ve ekonomide kucuk sorunlari var. Misirlilar ve Italyanlar bilimde cok hizli gelisiyor ve onemli buluslari diger medeniyetlerden daha once yapma olasiliklari yuksek. Ama bilim sadece medeniyete degil bilime ayirdiginiz butceye,sehirlerinizde okul ve bilim adami sayisina,sehirlerinizdeki mutluluga vs bagli. Onemli buluslari daha once yapip diger medeniyetlerin uretemedigi asker cesitlerini uretebilirsiniz. Mesela barutu rakiplerinizden once bulup onlardan once tufekli savasci uretebilirsiniz.Boylece askeri gucu daha yuksek unitelerle savasmis olursunuz ve savaslardan galip cikma olasiliginiz artar. Ayrica oyunda cok zeki bir yapay zeka var ve zekasi cok gelirse kolaylik secenekleri var.Yapay zeka olusturulurken normal bir insanin ayni durumla karsilastiginda izledigi yol dikkate alinarak hazirlandigindan yapay zeka kararlarini bir insan gibi aliyor.Yapay zeka sehir kuruyor,sehrinin cevresine tarla yapiyor,onemli sehirlerini yollarla birbirine bagliyor,savasiyor,sehirlerini savunuyor,sehirlerine bina yapiyor,hammaddelerini isleyip sanayi urunu satiyor ve hizli dusunme ozelligi sayesinde bunlarin hepsini ayni anda yapip cabuk kararlar aliyor. Bununla birlikte oyun oynayacaginiz random dunyanin ozelliklerini degistirebilirsiniz(Mesela kara-deniz orani vs).Veya oyununuzu hazir haritalarda(Turkiye-Yunanistan-Dunya-vs) oynayabilirsiniz.Ve her strateji oyununda oldugu gibi sayilamiyacak kadar cok ayrintisi var.

So kind of you to include Greece

	16-11-2002 02:15									#22
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quote: Originally posted by axi Hey, you misunderstood me! I never doubted you. I am just really really interested and wanted to learn more about this. My advice is sincere. Really, Apolyton is the best place to promote your work. And I hope to see your project succeed. We definitely need independent develloppers around here, since gaming companies have repeatedly failed to please us (we are a difficult audience). I'm off to visit that page and see...

Sorry, I misunderstood you. My English isnt enought to communicate well. Sorry again neighboor.Because of Fenerbahce i am so worried these days. Congrulations to Panatinaikos, success in other tours

	16-11-2002 02:19									#23
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quote: Yes, try to sell it to the marketing people from CIVIII, they're in need of a good civ like game

obvious, but good one nonetheless



gumuso this news is excellent!

is your game in english? can you make a download availabel without music or videos (why is it that big?)

	16-11-2002 02:22									#24
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion quote: Yes, try to sell it to the marketing people from CIVIII, they're in need of a good civ like game obvious, but good one nonetheless gumuso this news is excellent! is your game in english? can you make a download availabel without music or videos (why is it that big?)

Sorry, Its demo can be minimum 40megabites.Because of bitmaps i used.1200!!!!! bitmaps.If they were jpg, its demo could be 20Megabites.It is Turkish but i can find someone who can translate it in nearly 10-15 days

	16-11-2002 02:26									#25
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paiktis how could you find this text? Cong!! I will prepair its English in www.istila.com.tr in two days.

	16-11-2002 02:26									#26
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I don't think 40MB demo is too much for today's standards.

Good luck gumuso

	16-11-2002 02:28									#27
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Thanx. I hope one day you can play my game in greek.

	16-11-2002 02:29									#28
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quote: Originally posted by gumuso paiktis how could you find this text? Cong!! I will prepair its English in www.istila.com.tr in two days.

I just followed your instructions And I copy pasted


If you need any help in checking the text in English you can post it here and we could all help Many have done it.

	16-11-2002 02:30									#29
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Ok, MarkG, I will prepair my screenshots for Apolyton presentation.

	16-11-2002 02:32									#30
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Are axi and you are same? Thanx for your help offer.But do you know Turkish to translate it? If you know no problem. I can send texts with my mistaken English and you can correct it.
Thanx again