16-11-2002 10:33									#31
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quote: Asian means all Asians (yellows?)

I don't know about you, but I find this comment a bunch of horse s***. This is really fr**ken offensive to a mixed Asian.

	16-11-2002 12:12									#32
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"Race" is a term long used by governments to seperate us from them. What constitutes a "Race" are generally visible characteristics proscribed by psudo-scientists. These may include skin colour, hair colour, hair curliness, shape of head, shape of nose, shape of eyes, shape of forehead, etc.

Many governments including some that claim to be democracies, use racial profiling (once again, defining "race" solely for ulterior purposes), to seperate us - the good guys who must be protected from them - the bad guys - who should at least be treated with polite suspision.

I'm sure your poll is perfectly innocent, but I have no interest in participating.

	16-11-2002 12:52									#33
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where's Winston?

	16-11-2002 12:55									#34
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I am obviously African-American.

	16-11-2002 13:00									#35
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no native american?

OK so I'm only like 10% native american, but I still consider myself native american

	16-11-2002 13:59									#36
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I'm here alright. Just didn't think it necessary to post what I think.

Let this slip into oblivion quietly.

	16-11-2002 14:02									#37
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Am I missing something?

	16-11-2002 14:11									#38
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Human.

Liar, you are much less then that.

	16-11-2002 14:20									#39
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Asher,
I kind of raised a bit of Hell when orange posted a similar thread or poll a year or so ago.

I still think it's an immensely bad idea to have people categorized like this, but since Ming gave it his stamp of approval, there's not much point in arguing on about it.

	16-11-2002 15:05									#40
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I'm not thrilled with the thread... but it really doesn't violate any rules. I see most people aren't voting...

A good sign

It will slip to the second page soon enough if we all ignore it...

	16-11-2002 15:29									#41
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can't sleep tonight ming?

	16-11-2002 15:42									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Ming It will slip to the second page soon enough if we all ignore it...

You do realize the irony of posting that?

	17-11-2002 02:04									#43
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I'm human, that gotta be enough. Human sub-races are inventions, there's no way you can draw a clear line between humans, only vague guesses by skin color or other features, but nothing substantial.
The "Hispanic" (Mestizo btw., not Metizo...) "race" e.g. is an invention of the US, no one else has this concept - and what should the hispanic race be? A "mixture" of the "pure" races Caucasian and American? - Don't be ridiculous.

Your whole cateogries show how voluntarily races are defined.

This poll should definitely have had a banana option.

	17-11-2002 04:09									#44
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You miss two races... the southern european and the middle eastern.

anyway, look at my flag and u see my race.

	17-11-2002 04:11									#45
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umm, by the way, it isnt just hispanic, its divided in those with spanish heritage and those of indian (aztecs, etc). spanish is a part of southern europe.

	17-11-2002 04:28									#46
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To anthropologists, people in Persia, Russia, Egypt, and Morocco are Caucasian. Many people use "white" to mean all Caucasians.

Besides, to us Asians, you all look the same anyway.

	17-11-2002 05:58									#47
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All the whining

	17-11-2002 06:24									#48
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quote: You miss two races... the southern european and the middle eastern.

Perhaps you're confusing ethnic groups with races.

Stupid thread indeed. One could post much more clever polls than that.

	17-11-2002 06:47									#49
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan Besides, to us Asians, you all look the same anyway.

and vice versa

	17-11-2002 07:01									#50
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white and proud. wheres my damn half-irish quarter german quarter polish parade?

	17-11-2002 07:16									#51
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I'm one of those white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestants you always hear people from the extreme left complain about.

	17-11-2002 07:38									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf and vice versa

beware the Mongol horde!

EDIT: OMG, in the waiting screen after I post, I got this quote:
"I am just a nice, clean-cut Mongolian boy.
-- Yul Brynner, 1956"
How the heck did that happen??


Anyway, this poll follows the old school of classification: Negroid, Mongoloid, Caucasoid, plus the mixed categories of "mestizo" and "mulatto". This is neither PC nor scientifically accurate. "Negroids", for example, is very very diversified, ranging from the Khoisan of the Kalahari to the Dravidians of south India.

On the other hand, race DOES exist. I don't believe that categories like "Black" or "White" should be used to pigeonhole people, but I do believe that these categories are useful, scientifically, to describe heritage, genetics and human history.

	17-11-2002 07:50									#53
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quote: Anyway, this poll follows the old school of classification: Negroid, Mongoloid, Caucasoid, plus the mixed categories of "mestizo" and "mulatto". This is neither PC nor scientifically accurate. "Negroids", for example, is very very diversified, ranging from the Khoisan of the Kalahari to the Dravidians of south India.

the -oid suffix means "similar to" or "looks like" or something like that. by that definition, it wouldn't be wrong to classify khoisan as negroid or irishmen as caucasoid. if you see what I mean.

the "old school of classification" did indeed take into account that the three groups are diverse imo.

	17-11-2002 08:26									#54
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im not confusing race and ethnic groups...

here they are:

aryan
slavic
latin
semittic
native americans (whats their race name?)
and i know the indians look a little different.
whats the race name for the east asians?
finno-urgian
black
one for the people in oceania (not the aborgines)
aborgines

there we go with the list, though i dont have the names on them all. (there might be more races im not sure. but i know there are not less).

	17-11-2002 08:42									#55
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and what are the aryans?

are they the huns? the visigoths? the ostrogoths? the turks? all of the above?

	17-11-2002 08:49									#56
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what are the latins?

the franks? the gauls? the iberians? the italians? cant be the greeks.

what about the slavs?

are they the ukranians? or maybe the baltics? the chechs?

	17-11-2002 08:50									#57
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sloppy very sloppy definitions you got there about a matter that is inherently un-definitionable

	17-11-2002 09:27									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Viking Berserk im not confusing race and ethnic groups... here they are: aryan slavic latin semittic native americans (whats their race name?) and i know the indians look a little different. whats the race name for the east asians? finno-urgian black one for the people in oceania (not the aborgines) aborgines there we go with the list, though i dont have the names on them all. (there might be more races im not sure. but i know there are not less).

That's very Eurocentric.

The variations within "black" - Khoisan, pygmies, Ethiopians, Bantus, etc are MUCH larger than that between "Aryans", Slavs, "Latins" and Semites. Asians also show huge amounts of variation, from the Nenets to the Indonesians.

Also, words like "Aryan", "Slavic", "Finno-Ugric" etc are non-words when describing race, at least genetically. Genetic "race" doesn't work like language: there aren't any neat families. There are only "Nordic features" that fan out from Scandinavia into the Alps, and "Slavic features" that fan out from Russia towards the Atlantic. Even these features aren't well defined.

In short, a slightly more accurate way to see it would be:
CAUCASOID
* Nordic
* Alpine
* Mediterraneo - Middle Eastern
MONGOLOID
* North
* South + Polynesians
* Native American
NEGROID (Bantu)
NILOTIC
KHOISAN
PYGMY
DRAVIDIAN
AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES
PAPUAN
MELANESIAN (???)

Even then, my alternatives are still pretty sloppy. So the conclusion is: "races" is a pretty sloppy concept.

	17-11-2002 09:40									#59
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Sonic: White is incorrect as well, since northern Indians are Caucasians, as are Persians and Kurds and Turks and so forth..

I think that true turks are supposed to be mongoloid. Of course the people of Turkey are virtually entirely caucasian because most of them are descended from the greeks who originally lived in Asia minor, but the turkish people of central asia are mongoloid I think.

	17-11-2002 09:49									#60
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan This is neither PC nor scientifically accurate. "Negroids", for example, is very very diversified, ranging from the Khoisan of the Kalahari to the Dravidians of south India.

Dravidians are usually not classified as negroid. They're usually classified as "we don' know". Aborigines it turns out may be the closest thing to living relatives of the predecessors of both caucasians and mongoloids.