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Alfonso
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Spain
Apr 2002
time: 06:23
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España (Spain):
Madrid
Barcelona
Valencia
Sevilla
Zaragoza
Toledo
Bilbao
Salamanca
Córdoba
Santiago de Compostela
Vitoria
Alicante
Valladolid
San Sebastián
Granada
Santander
León
Vigo
Jaén
Albacete
Oviedo
Mallorca
Murcia
Ourense
Teruel
Pamplona
Málaga
Segovia
Huelva
Burgos
Lugo
Guadalajara
Girona
Castellón
Cádiz
Ávila
Huesca
Logroño
Lleida
Ciudad Real
Tarragona
Soria
Almería
Cáceres
Zamora
Cuenca
Palencia
Badajoz
Gran Canaria
Tenerife
Ceuta
Melilla
A Coruña
Alcalá de Henares
Sagunto
Tordesillas
Cartagena
Gijón
Cazorla
Almansa
Calatayud
Irún
Amposta
Mérida
Palos de la Frontera
Aranda de Duero
Elche
Avilés
Talavera de la Reina
Sant Cugat del Vallés
Dos Hermanas
Baracaldo
Aranjuez
Terrassa
Alcoy
Algeciras
Xátiva
Bailén
Ponferrada
Pontevedra
Reus
Jerez de la Frontera
Écija
Last edited by Alfonso on 18-11-2002 at 20:59
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Alfonso
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Spain
Apr 2002
time: 06:23
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I have left one: Agustina de Aragón
This is the final list:
Viriato
El Cid Campeador
Jaume I el Conqueridor
Cristóbal Colón
Hernán Cortés
Pizarro
Fernando de Magallanes
Juan Sebastián Elcano
El Gran Capitán
El Duque de Alba
Agustina de Aragón
Last edited by Alfonso on 18-11-2002 at 20:50
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jasev
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of the SCS Forum
Feb 2001
time: 06:23
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Córdoba is the same as El Gran Capitán (Gonzalo fernández de Córdoba)
Olivares was a polititian (see J.H. Elliot: The Count-Duke of Olivares), not a general or so.
Bartolome de Las Casas was a religious who defended the natives in the spanish court, so it's not very logic to have him as a military leader.
I think Zumalacárregui deserves to be one of the Spanish Leaders (see my Carlist War civ2 scenario for details  ), but maybe there are better options.
And nobody really knows who's that "Zuniga" (In fact, Zúñiga). Zúñiga is a very old and honorable name in spanish history, and there are many possibilities:
Baltasar de Zúñiga y Acevedo: Ambassador of Philip III in France, The Netherlands and the German Empire. Later Prime Minister with Philip IV.
Baltasar de Zúñiga y Guzmán: Viceroy of Navarre and Sardegna. He fought for Philip V during the spanish succession war; when Philip V won the war, he became viceroy of New Spain; during his rule, the spanish colonized Texas.
Luis de Requesens y Zúñiga. One of the best generals of Philip II, he fought against moors in Granada (see J. Muñoz Civ2 scenario about Alpujarras ), against turks in Lepanto and against protestants in the Netherlands. He tried to achieve the peace with protestants but failed and was replaced.
Alfonso's suggestions:
Viriato: Lusitan (portuguese) warrior who fought against roman invaders.
El Cid Campeador: Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar. The spanish medieval hero. He's for spanish the same as Roland for french or Arthur for english.
Jaume I el Conqueridor: King of Aragon and Count of Barcelona, he conquered the moorish Kingdoms of Valencia and Mallorca.
Cristóbal Colón
{Hernán Cortés
Pizarro
Fernando de Magallanes}
I think there is no need of an explanation here.
Juan Sebastián Elcano: The second at command of Magallanes, he completed the voyage when Magallanes died.
El Gran Capitán: Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba, the best spanish general in living history. He defeated moors, italians, french, and everybody who fought against him.
El Duque de Alba (i.e, the Duke of Alba): A great general, an awful politic. He's responsible of the "black legend" of Spain in the Low Countries.
Agustina de Aragón: She is the spanish heroine of the peninsular war. She was the widow of an artillery officer who used cannons to fight against napoleonic troops.
Last edited by jasev on 19-11-2002 at 22:53
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Pinochet
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Delray Beach, FL USA
Aug 1999
time: 05:23
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How do you actually modify the default list of cities?
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Purple
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Austin, TX, US
Apr 1999
time: 23:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Quasar1011
IMHO, the city list for America that came with the game deserves a lot of work. Firstly, the major cities of Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Houston and San Antonio are not on the list at all. Some historically significant towns like Hartford, Providence, Savannah and Charleston ought to be high on the list too. Miami, Seattle and Denver all appear higher on the list than they ought to. And you can't build a Birmingham if the English have beat you to it.  |
Yes, I've made a lot of changes to the American list. I hadn't thought about the Birmingham duplication, though. How does it work? I thought I read somewhere that duplicate names (in different civs) are allowed.
Here's my personal American list (50 cities, not including Birmingham):
Washington
New York
Boston
Philadelphia
Atlanta
Chicago
Seattle
San Francisco
Miami
Houston
St. Louis
Detroit
New Orleans
Baltimore
San Antonio
Denver
Cincinnati
Dallas
Memphis
Los Angeles
Ft.Worth
Cleveland
Kansas City
San Diego
Buffalo
Richmond
Austin
Las Vegas
Phoenix
Albuquerque
Portland
Minneapolis
Pittsburgh
Oakland
Tampa Bay
Orlando
Tacoma
Santa Fe
Olympia
Springfield
Palo Alto
Spokane
Providence
Montpelier
Des Moines
Jacksonville
Tallahassee
Albany
Rochester
Columbus
Here's Bonaparte's American list (112 cities, also omits Birmingham):
Washington
New York
Boston
Philadelphia
Jamestown
Los Angeles
Atlanta
Chicago
San Francisco
Houston
St. Louis
Jacksonville
Detroit
New Orleans
Salt Lake City
Baltimore
Denver
Dallas
Miami
Kansas City
Cleveland
San Diego
Richmond
Nashville
Sacramento
Santa Fe
Las Vegas
Phoenix
Seattle
Indianapolis
Memphis
Pittsburgh
Buffalo
Portland
Cincinnati
Orlando
Tucson
Albuquerque
Colorado Springs
Hartford
Syracuse
Columbus
Norfolk
Albany
Oakland
Milwaukee
Austin
St. Paul
Oklahoma City
Baton Rouge
El Paso
Minneapolis
Des Moines
Springfield
Spokane
Newark
Fresno
Fort Worth
Tampa
Boise
Berkley
Grand Rapids
Carson City
Tacoma
Cheyenne
Helena
Omaha
Dayton
Raleigh
Columbia
San Antonio
Madison
Lincoln
Topeka
Lexington
Knocksville
Savannah
Jefferson City
Little Rock
Charlotte
Worcester
Honolulu
Tulsa
Louisville
Corpus Christi
Wichita
Lansing
Salem
Erie
Jersey City
Jackson
Winston Salem
Fort Lauderdale
Huntsville
Montgomery
Rochester
Tallahassee
Bismarck
Mobile
Augusta
Frankfort
Lexington
Annapolis
Concord
Fargo
Charleston
Georgetown
Dover
Trenton
Eugene
Key West
Pierre
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Dimension
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Columbus OH
Feb 2001
time: 00:23
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Purple:
There are 33 states with cities named Springfield, and I don't really see how any of them are that significant.
Springfield, Illinois = population of 115,000
Springfield, Massachusetts = population 165,000
Springfield, Missouri = population 150,000
Springfield, Ohio = population 75,000
I don't think any of them were even founded until the early 1800's. It just seems a little odd to put Springfield on the 50-city list when there isn't even a city named Springfield that stands out enough to make it clear what you're talking about.
I suppose it's worth putting in just for fans of The Simpsons 
Anyway, I certainly don't see any need to have over 100 cities, but let me give some data to help you refine the list a little.
Here are the cities in the top 30 by population that didn't make it on your 50-city list:
Charlotte (#26 - pop 541,000 - settled 1750)
El Paso (#23 - pop 564,000 - claimed 1598)
Fort Worth (#27 - pop 535,000 - founded 1849)
Indianapolis (#12 - pop 782,000 - settled 1820)
Milwaukee (#19 - pop 597,000 - settled 1795)
Nashville (#22 - pop 546,000 - founded 1779)
San Jose (#11 - pop 895,000 - founded 1777)
Tuscon (#30 - pop 487,000 - prehistoric, as old as 300 B.C.)
Phoenix was also founded on the ruins of a prehistoric city.
Jacksonville FL (more than twice the size of Miami) and Columbus OH are the 14th & 15th largest cities, and they show up near the end of the list. You might not want to bump them off if you're trying to keep it down to 50 cities.
Officially, the five oldest cities in the US are:
St Augustine FL (1565)
Santa Fe NM (1609)
Hampton VA (1610)
Newport News VA (1610)
Albany NY (1624)
I'm not sure why those are considered the oldest cities, because it's obviously not giving any credit to many settlements that later became cities.
I'm thinking of making my own list with some of the historical names, like:
Atlanta = Terminus (1837), renamed Marthasville (1843)
Austin = Waterloo (1838)
Chicago = Fort Dearborn (although it was razed in 1812 by the Ottawa and mostly vacant until 1830)
Cleveland = Connecticut Western Reserve (1662)
Columbus = Franklinton (1797)
Denver = Cherry Creek (1858)
El Paso = Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe (1659), Ysleta (1682)
Kansas City MO = Westport Landing (1833)
Los Angeles = Reina de Los Angeles (1781)
Memphis = Chisca (founded by the Chickasaw, pre-1500)
Nashville = Fort Nashborough
New York = New Amsterdam (1614)
San Diego = San Miguel (1542)
San Francisco = Yerba Buena ("Good Herb" 1777)
And what about all the cool cities? Pennsylvania and Alabama both have cities named Intercourse, and 17 states have cities named Climax.
BTW, Bonaparte spelled Knoxville wrong...
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