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Meshelic is offline Meshelic
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OFFICIAL ELECTION SIGN UP THREAD

Elections are coming up soon and those who wish to run for a Chief position of the three schola's should sign up here:

note: you may only run for a Chief position if you belong to the schola you are running for. Many belong to 2 Scholas and it is acceptable to run for BOTH, although if you belong to 2 then you may not run for the 3rd schola you are not a part of. (I figure you guys already knew that, but just added for clarification)


GRAND POOBAH
notyoueither (team nomination)

BRIGADIER GRAND POOBAH
SirRalph (appointed by NYE and seconded by group)

DEPUTY GRAND POOBAH


CHIEF OF ECONOMIC SCHOLA
Randolph (withdrawn?)
nbarclay

CHIEF OF TACTICAL SCHOLA
Theseus (/with nominated partner Arrian)

CHIEF OF DIPLOMATIC SCHOLA
Meshelic



Title of Grand Poobah mirrors President, Brigadier Grand Poobah mirrors the Vice-President, and Deputy Grand Poobah mirrors the acting Prez and Vice-Prez if both cannot fulfill their duties...

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I want to take this time to announce my candidacy for Chief of Diplomatic Schola. I will begin my campaign for this position shortly, as time allows.

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I do not require the honour of acclamation, however I will accept it if offered.

I would welcome any other who feels capable of playing the game to throw your hat in the ring.

Oh, and btw, I thought was decided I would be known as Grand Poobah.

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have we determined how long the term of office should be? I think that is an important question to answer before jumping into the elections.

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another question:

Are we restricted to voting in schools that we are members of?

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And how is time defined?

Normal; as is hours, days,weeks,...

civ-time; as in game turns

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another question:

Are we restricted to voting in schools that we are members of?


Technically no you aren't, there will be nothing to stop anyone from voting in any election they want, I doubt we can privatize polls to specific groups, and I don't think we'd have to either.

One thought on that, though, is if everyone DID vote outside of the one or two schola's they chose, then there would be little reason for the schola's in the first place, right?

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have we determined how long the term of office should be? I think that is an important question to answer before jumping into the elections.


No we haven't decided on that yet. I propose that the term lengths be similar to the C3DG where it was once a month that the government changed hands (or didn't...).

I think it would be easier to go by real life days or months, rather than game turns. I could see that as getting confusing after awhile.

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This thread isn't the elections, of course... Just intended it to be a sign-up sheet if you plan to run for office...

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If I am to play, I request that Sir Ralph be my second. He would bring much to the table.

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That's exactly who I was thinking should be the second. I second that second

-Arrian

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As long as nobody calls me "Little Poobah", I'd agree. However, if you elect me as "Second", you at the same time should appoint a "Third", because I sometimes have RL time issues that prevent me from spending too much time playing computer games at all. This happens, say, once in 1-2 months and if it happens, it's usually not predictable and lasts about 1-2 weeks.

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I third the second and am the first to wonder who the third will be.

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It seems there won't be a lot of electing to be done on our players... another agreement here.

But one thing I would like to know as well is the duration, and possible impeachment procedures. Not that I expect to be candidate, or want to critise the players nor schola heads...

DeepO

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No we haven't decided on that yet. I propose that the term lengths be similar to the C3DG where it was once a month that the government changed hands (or didn't...).

I think it would be easier to go by real life days or months, rather than game turns. I could see that as getting confusing after awhile.



I agree that a month based system would work better than a turn based system.

The question is, when will the first term end? I would say that it would be better to have it end on, say, January 15, than to have it end on January 1st, obviously avoiding complications due to New Years. And then continue changes (or not) every month on th 15th after that.

Thoughts?

Of course, a month=probably 6 turns (5 teams/30 days). Ugh, slow moving, eh? Not a long game-wise term.

edit: I will start a thread on procedures, to avoid spamming this thread.

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Although I certainly had no intention of running for an office, if there is really know one interested I would be willing to be organizational head of the economic schola. I have no desire to “run the show” but I can compile ideas and organize orders, etc. I, like Sir Ralph, also have RL issues that come up (and unfortunately the first week of the game is likely to be one of these; hopefully things will be simple enough at that point that it won’t be to much of an issue). From what I’ve read there are more qualified people on this team for this position than myself, and I would encourage them to stand up, but if they are taking on a firm “no minister” stance than I would be willing to take to chair of the economic committee (I do have a B.A. in economics ).

P.S. I just had a worrying thought that this post might discourage others from running for this office; please don’t let this stop anyone who would like this position.

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Randolph, you may not intend it, but that's a quite good campaigning you started there The best leaders are those that are forced into a job, and reluctantly accept it because they see no-one else would be up to it.

Ah, please don't let our real life diplomas dictate what we need to do in this game though, I have no interest in ministering the AI

DeepO

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ministering the AI


Sounds kinky

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If we are to have periodic elections for "Grand Poobah" and "Little P-" ... errr, "Second" and the other government positions, I suggest the term length be significantly longer than 1 month. This game is going to take YEARS to play. Accordingly, I suggest term lengths of 3 months.

Randolph, if you're willing to put in time & effort to keep us organized (which I fully admit I'm not), you've got my vote.

-Arrian

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Although I certainly had no intention of running for an office, if there is really know one interested I would be willing to be organizational head of the economic schola. I have no desire to “run the show” but I can compile ideas and organize orders, etc. I, like Sir Ralph, also have RL issues that come up (and unfortunately the first week of the game is likely to be one of these; hopefully things will be simple enough at that point that it won’t be to much of an issue). From what I’ve read there are more qualified people on this team for this position than myself, and I would encourage them to stand up, but if they are taking on a firm “no minister” stance than I would be willing to take to chair of the economic committee (I do have a B.A. in economics ).

P.S. I just had a worrying thought that this post might discourage others from running for this office; please don’t let this stop anyone who would like this position.


So does this mean add you to the list?

To comment on something, the ministers really don't necessarily run the show, that's not the intent of ministers, the ministers mostly 'keep the show going'. The SCHOLA's run the show technically, or they SHOULD, but they do this by all discussing ideas/orders and etc and submitting them to the CHIEF who takes those ideas and puts them into effect. Even if faced with ideas that go against each other, by being CHIEF you basically get to decide what orders to submit or not. Kind of like a Staff Editor for a newspaper, it's up to you how the story comes out.....make sense?

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Meshelic, that's my idea as well, the leaders are responsible for putting things on the agenda, and somewhat act as a referee, or moderator in the debate. Once the debate has settled a litte, he can take the final decisions... However this doesn't necessarily mean he has a lot of power, when he goes against the wishes of his advisors he wont stay chief for long...

DeepO

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So does this mean add you to the list?

To comment on something, the ministers really don't necessarily run the show, that's not the intent of ministers, the ministers mostly 'keep the show going'. The SCHOLA's run the show technically, or they SHOULD, but they do this by all discussing ideas/orders and etc and submitting them to the CHIEF who takes those ideas and puts them into effect. Even if faced with ideas that go against each other, by being CHIEF you basically get to decide what orders to submit or not. Kind of like a Staff Editor for a newspaper, it's up to you how the story comes out.....make sense?


Yes, this is what I was attempting (apparently unsuccessfully) to present as not only how I feel a minister should act, but as the only "minister paradigm" I would be willing to act under. The reason I felt the need to say this is form observation of the SP-CIV3DG ministers, which in many cases (but certainly not all) seemed to listen to comments and respond to poles, but formulate actual policy autonomously.

DeepO: If reluctance is a sign of a (possible) leader than you fit the profile even better then me . In fact if this is the case than this team is overflowing with leadership abilities (BTW I know what you're saying).

Add me to the list? If you want, if anyone else wants the position (or is concerned enough with me having it to sign up ) I'll withdrawal.

edit: BTW well said Meshelic

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Well.. perhaps it good that we only need to have 3 ministers at this point, as otherwise the places wouldn't get filled. As to being reluctant: I like the idea, but really, I'm too inexperienced, and can't promise on time issues to give my name up for election... perhaps later when things change. Plus I like it it, whispering from behind the curtains, instead of being in full view, even if those whispers might not be heared at all times.

DeepO

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Perhaps people who have some experience in the original demo game should step up first. At least for the first term.

Deep: again spoken as a true Belgian. D*mn, are we so predictible, I bet if we had 3 dutch guys on the team, we wouldn't even have these threads, everything would allready have been decided

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Haha I love this Belgian talk, although I've only been there once. (ps I'm not German....well I am but not a citizen, I love fooling people with my flag)

If I ever run for Supreme Military Commander (or whatever we call it) then I'll appoint all you Belgians as General's....

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Woohoo, I like this. I say nothing, and others volunteer to do work

I totally agree on the "minister paradigm" that Randolph, DeepO and Meshelic have been discussing. The ministers should be facilitators: they keep things moving and act based upon concensus.

-Arrian

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To bad none of you "ringers" are coming forward.

 
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