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Kuzelj
Nov 2000
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http://www.nme.com/news/103541.htm
Tom Morello former Rage Against the Machine guitarist:
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TOM MORELLO, the politically charged guitarist formerly of RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE and now AUDIOSLAVE, says PRESIDENT BUSH should be tried for war crimes if he launches a new attack on Iraq.
In a scathing broadside, Morello added that Bush was destroying America, allowing the economy to "go down the toilet" for the sake of his war on terrorism.
"The war on Iraq never stopped," Morello told NME.COM. "The US have been bombing and maintaining no fly zones for the last ten years. Look at the UN figures - at least one million dead because of bombing and sanctions, half a million of them children.
"If he goes into Iraq now, it'll be a war crime and Bush should be tried in an international court as a war criminal. This renewed sabre rattling is both dishonest and disingenuous. The principal causes of terrorism are US economic and military domination, or perceived domination, in the Middle East. I believe the true 'Axis Of Evil' is pandemic poverty and an arms race that is continued at great profit for a few. Does he seriously believe bombing Iraq is going to counter terrorism?
"What better way to win an election than to focus on this war on terror. The economy in America is going down the toilet and he is ignoring it completely." Morello added that he believed opposition had to rise from the streets through people power. He also challenged high profile stars such as Bono who have gone to the White House to plead for aid for developing countries, ravaged by war and disease and burdened with massive debt.
"To me change doesn't come by engaging the White House, it comes from the street. I don't think you can go with your cup up to the back door of the White House and say 'Please sir, can I have some peace and justice?' That just doesn't work."
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I know the peaceful and president loving Apolytoners wouldn't want to see Dubya in an international court, (even though some might  ) he is anyway a stage bloke who does what his cabinet and ministers advised him to do, still lets focus on is part:
The principal causes of terrorism are US economic and military domination, or perceived domination, in the Middle East. I believe the true 'Axis Of Evil' is pandemic poverty and an arms race that is continued at great profit for a few. Does he seriously believe bombing Iraq is going to counter terrorism?
I think he is right there.
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:23
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Ok, fine. I'm feeling fiesty this morning.
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The principal causes of terrorism are US economic and military domination |
US economic and military domination is part of the picture, but to say they are the "principal causes of terrorism" is very simplistic.
The way I see it: rage + disenfranchisement + propoganda + fanatical religious doctrine = terrorists.
Rage is generated by injustice, both at home (brutality, corruption, etc) and in the world at large (US foreign policy).
Disenfranchisement is simple: lack of democracy. Without a legitimate political role, some turn to other means.
Propoganda: many governments, particularly in the ME, deflect criticism/rage about the way they runs things by blaming anything and everything on Israel and/or the US.
Fanatical religious doctrine: the promise of glorious martyrdom for killing people.
You will note, perhaps, that I didn't include poverty. The 9/11 terrorists weren't poor. They were middle-class, educated individuals. So it wasn't lack of money that drove them to kill & be killed.
The arms race thing isn't a cause of terrorism. It exists (some call it the military-industrial complex), and I'm no fan of it, but it doesn't really fit in here.
Bombing Iraq won't cut down on terrorism, no. He's got that part right.
-Arrian
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OneFootInTheGrave
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Kuzelj
Nov 2000
time: 05:23
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Originally posted by Ming
Anybody that thinks that President is "allowing the economy to go down the toliet" obviously has no clue what he is talking about...
When I look at opinions, I judge the source for the Bias they may have... And what I see here is a guy who might profit from selling a few more cds if he stays in the limelight... So no... I don't take him seriously, and I wonder why anybody would  |
I would
Not too seriously, but at least to see what he has to say.
So on count one... -The principal causes of terrorism are US economic and military domination, or perceived domination, in the Middle East - involment with Israel, opposition to Iran/ economic embargoes, struggle for cheaper oil etc... there is nothing new there.
For two - I believe the true 'Axis Of Evil' is pandemic poverty and an arms race that is continued at great profit for a few - well pandemic powertymight not be a direct cause, but uneducaded and poor are more likely to provide for a base for the educated few who will come from there and actually organise the terror strikes, and those that will sacrifise themselves (i guess they can be bot educated and not educated - it is just their faith for the cause that is imortant). As for the arms race, it is surely good at the moment that the US is winning, but the arms race does as well generate the great profit for few who can influence and do influence the goverments to go to war/s... anyway - who said that if noone bought US weapons that the ecopnomy would collapse  ?
Anyway he reffered it to the "axis of Evil" , unlike Bush's Iraq/Iran/NK - that is what he would think needs to change.
And for three - Does he seriously believe bombing Iraq is going to counter terrorism? - well do you think so?
Here is something to think about
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Accordingly, terrorism clearly needs to be stopped and prevented in the
long- as well as short run. While there seems to be a plethora of short-term
military and law enforcement responses to terrorism, there does not seem to be
much in the way of long-term "conflict transformation" or "peacebuilding" (see
Cohen, 2002; Wright, 2002; Boutros-Ghali, 1992; Lederach, 1997). Quite
simply, this means that the "War on Terror" as presently waged is not only not
likely to succeed, but is likely to "self-fulfillingly" exacerbate the
problems it is meant to address. Hence, the comments by Udo Steinbach (2002,
p. 48), director of the German Orient Institute in Hamburg, that:
The fight against terrorism, especially as it is currently
being waged by the US administration, will in all likelihood
radicalize increasing numbers of people in the Muslim world and
heighten their approval of the use of violence in fighting the
West and all those associated with it in Islamic societies. In
the arc from North Africa to Indonesia the resort to terrorism is
rooted in a series of complex, decades-old crises -- over regional
conflicts, internal ethnic problems, or, more broadly, democratic
deficits. It is therefore impossible to solve the problem of
terrorism without simultaneously addressing the underlying
political problems. |
from here
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/ICAR/sept11/Terrorbk.pdf
and Arrian 
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OneFootInTheGrave
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Kuzelj
Nov 2000
time: 05:23
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quote:
Originally posted by DanS
"-The principal causes of terrorism are US economic and military domination, or perceived domination, in the Middle East - involment with Israel, opposition to Iran/ economic embargoes, struggle for cheaper oil etc... there is nothing new there. "
Which is a stream of liquid BS. |
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What about this?
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More important, the US, specifically, the Washington elite, has shown little inclination to address the root causes of terrorism. When people are dispossessed – deprived of their land and denied their sovereignty – and oppressed and suppressed by alien rule, they sometimes resort to acts of violence and terror in order achieve their goal.3 In the aftermath of September 11, a number of Arab, Muslim and even non-Muslim leaders had conveyed this message to Washington: the dispossession and disenfranchisement of the Palestinians has created a huge reservoir of anger, frustration and hatred not only towards Israel, the aggressor and the oppressor, but also towards the US, Israel’s protector and benefactor. It may well have been the primary reason why a number of Arabs allegedly piloted the hijacked aircraft into the World Trade Centre (WTC) in New York and the Pentagon in Washington on that fateful day.
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http://www.just-international.org/c...monic-power.htm
not really a pro US article but still it might tell you something.
That was for Israel.. just a quick one...
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And I bet you think that some posters here should have their opinions broadcast around the globe as well...
It doesn't make the opinions any more valid or worth listening too |
Ming... maybe not... but admittedly you have voted for Libs... man this forum is making you soft
So maybe it makes some sense. Open your eyes, it is nice to voice your own opinion now and than. Sometimes we can change them (opinions) as well if we find the reasons why... I guess we are always out on the search...
Most of the time holding out in our forts until something clicks, and we change it (opinion)
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19-11-2002 19:21
Sorry, OFITG, that's a pet peeve of mine.
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