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Rage - nice tactic to let the thread flow and hope no-one remembers what we were discussing but taking you right back to your statements, please explain how you can claim not to be racist if you believe it is right to deny certain people basic human rights afforded others simply on the basis of their nationality or ethnic background? |
Ok, I used to have a friend that was black. I would not deny him basic human rights because of that.
You'll note that I said used to have that is because he did not like going for a drink with my white friends.who were not racsist in any way and didnt treat him as the outsider because he was black) So I realised that he was reluctant and asked him why and he answered exactly:"I just like staying with my own kind thats all" He than went on to tell me that all his friends were black then had the nerve to ask me to go for a drink with his friends!
This incident really opened my eyes there is no denying that you will generally see blacks with black and whites with whites. You hardly ever see them mixed(Where I live anyway) so why try to create a divided society when we have went through centuries of bloodshead just because of religions. We dont what to go through this again. We should put an end to all immigration except for people that can provide valuable services to the country(doctors etc.) so that English cities will not be carved between blacks, Asians and whites.
I say this not because I m racsist but because I do not want my kids or grandkids to grow up in a segragated society like Northern Island, Israel/Palestine and many African countries like Nigeria.
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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
So to avoid segregation, you think the BNP getting elected is a good thing?
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He isn't just weird, he is in denial.
Rage
The "old I had a black friend once" story is a typical defense for Racists trying to avoid the truth but you still have to accept that if you genuinely believe it is alright to apply a diferent standard of basic human rights on people by virtue of their ethnicity or nationality, you are by definition racist.
Why don't you do yourself the honesty of admitting it and they you can perhaps start to do some soul searching to find out why you hold racist views and perhaps do something you fix your attitude to fellow human beings. Go on try it, its for the best you know. Really.
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Ran out of excuses Rage?
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Excuses? I dont need to justify myself to you.
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The "old I had a black friend once" story is a typical defense for Racists trying to avoid the truth but you still have to accept that if you genuinely believe it is alright to apply a diferent standard of basic human rights on people by virtue of their ethnicity or nationality, you are by definition racist. |
I think you've got the defination of racsism wrong.
I believe a racist to be a person who hates another culture for no reason or someone who views someone of a different race as inferior.
However if you view racism as not wanting your kids to grow up in a segragated society, or in a society where their native land has been invaded then I guess I may fit that discription.
Africans are doing exactly what we done to them centuries ago. In about 100 years whites will cease to be the majority in their own land-it is happening all over Europe.
You cant tell me that any of the African countries would allow whites to outnumber them in their own coutries.
You talk about me denying them rights, well that is their right-to live in a country which they can practice their own culture without fear of having their land stolen by whites or their jobs taking by whites. These are our rights also.
There are obviously a lot of people in Blackburn who share my so called "racist" views. What would you do to the councillors I wonder? Throw them out, call them racists because they do not share the same political views as you do? Fine democracy we live in isnt it.
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Nobody ever defines a people by their eyes however the same can not be said about skin colour. As I said earlier whites and blacks feel more comfortable when they are with people of the same race-Can anyone truthfully deny that?
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Rage
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An article about multi culturism on the BNP website:
I am 17, and have been a member of the BNP for the last year. I fully
support the policies and ideals of the party. However I am not, as the mass
media would have the public believe, a 'Racist'. I am a proud nationalist. I
am proud of the history of our great country. I do not believe that the
British people should have to take second place to immigrants in our own
country as the Labour government would have it. Our ancestors developed our
country and the rest of the world up to a point where Britain is still one
of the strongest and most influential countries in the world today.
Multiculturalism mean always having to say that you're sorry. Leaders of
Labour and Liberal Democrats along with other anti-identity left wing
parties queued up to prostrate themselves before the altar of
multiculturalism, sacrificing our national identity and prosperity in the
process. The lengths to which politicians and opinion formers have gone to
promote tolerance and restraint towards 'British' Muslims since September 11
have been extraordinary. Ignoring the fact that the problem lies in the
fundamental and extremist nature of the Muslim faith. The evidence for this?
- simply look at the young Muslims who attempted to stir up religious and
Anti-British hatred on the streets of places like Oldham and others
volunteering to fight for the Taliban. It is a favoured tactic of the
fascist left to deny this evidence as the work of an 'extremist minority',
whereas, in reality such actions are a fundamental part of the Muslim faith.
If you agree with them, if you don't sign up to their agenda, you are damned
as a Racist or a Nazi.
Multiculturalism means tolerating a mosque named after Saddam Hussein in
the middle of our second largest city but banning the Union Jack on the
grounds that it is 'offensive' to minorities. It means free speech for Mad
Mullahs burning our flag in Regent's park and vowing death to Britain but
'No platform for Racists' for those who beg to differ.
Multiculturalism means the BBC banning 'Land of Hope and Glory' and 'Rule
Britannia' from the proms and the World Service TV ruling that it is
'inappropriate' for presenters to wear poppies. It means worshipping all
other cultures and traditions other than those of the majority. It means
teaching African studies but ignoring British history in schools. It means
denigrating our ancestor's achievements and making children ashamed of their
country's past.
Multiculturalism results in the insulting contents of the millennium dome
and British Airways scrapping the Union Jack and covering its tailplanes in
ethnic scribble. Multiculturalism is nothing less than a ruthless, concerted
assault on the glue that binds our society together. It is the patronising
weapon which the facist left. The products of law schools and teacher
training colleges, use to divide and rule and oppress the majority.
White Europeans have a lot to be proud of as the creators of modern
civilisation. Is it right that police officer, trying to do their job, fear
arresting non-white criminals on the grounds of being branded Racist? Even
when it had been proven by government studies that non-whites are more
likely to commit a crime?
It is up to the enlightened ones, who can see past the lies of the mass
media to put a stop to this progressive deterioration. We must halt the evil
of Multiculturalism before our National freedom, prosperity and identity are
lost in a haze of Leftist propaganda.
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Rage
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You may believe that but a lot of people dont.
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International crime fighting playboy
Apr 2002
time: 05:23
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Originally posted by Rage
An article about multi culturism on the BNP website:
I am 17, and have been a member of the BNP for the last year. I fully
support the policies and ideals of the party. However I am not, as the mass
media would have the public believe, a 'Racist'. I am a proud nationalist. I
am proud of the history of our great country. I do not believe that the
British people should have to take second place to immigrants in our own
country as the Labour government would have it. Our ancestors developed our
country and the rest of the world up to a point where Britain is still one
of the strongest and most influential countries in the world today.
Multiculturalism mean always having to say that you're sorry. Leaders of
Labour and Liberal Democrats along with other anti-identity left wing
parties queued up to prostrate themselves before the altar of
multiculturalism, sacrificing our national identity and prosperity in the
process. The lengths to which politicians and opinion formers have gone to
promote tolerance and restraint towards 'British' Muslims since September 11
have been extraordinary. Ignoring the fact that the problem lies in the
fundamental and extremist nature of the Muslim faith. The evidence for this?
- simply look at the young Muslims who attempted to stir up religious and
Anti-British hatred on the streets of places like Oldham and others
volunteering to fight for the Taliban. It is a favoured tactic of the
fascist left to deny this evidence as the work of an 'extremist minority',
whereas, in reality such actions are a fundamental part of the Muslim faith.
If you agree with them, if you don't sign up to their agenda, you are damned
as a Racist or a Nazi.
Multiculturalism means tolerating a mosque named after Saddam Hussein in
the middle of our second largest city but banning the Union Jack on the
grounds that it is 'offensive' to minorities. It means free speech for Mad
Mullahs burning our flag in Regent's park and vowing death to Britain but
'No platform for Racists' for those who beg to differ.
Multiculturalism means the BBC banning 'Land of Hope and Glory' and 'Rule
Britannia' from the proms and the World Service TV ruling that it is
'inappropriate' for presenters to wear poppies. It means worshipping all
other cultures and traditions other than those of the majority. It means
teaching African studies but ignoring British history in schools. It means
denigrating our ancestor's achievements and making children ashamed of their
country's past.
Multiculturalism results in the insulting contents of the millennium dome
and British Airways scrapping the Union Jack and covering its tailplanes in
ethnic scribble. Multiculturalism is nothing less than a ruthless, concerted
assault on the glue that binds our society together. It is the patronising
weapon which the facist left. The products of law schools and teacher
training colleges, use to divide and rule and oppress the majority.
White Europeans have a lot to be proud of as the creators of modern
civilisation. Is it right that police officer, trying to do their job, fear
arresting non-white criminals on the grounds of being branded Racist? Even
when it had been proven by government studies that non-whites are more
likely to commit a crime?
It is up to the enlightened ones, who can see past the lies of the mass
media to put a stop to this progressive deterioration. We must halt the evil
of Multiculturalism before our National freedom, prosperity and identity are
lost in a haze of Leftist propaganda. |
frankly that is all rubbish, but I would say anyone who starts off saying they are proud of our history are taking a selective view of it and are ignoring the bits which a) show the Uk to be a complete bastard and b) which shows the UK has always had alot of immigration.
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Then at least a half of the country is racist.
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frankly that is all rubbish, but I would say anyone who starts off saying they are proud of our history are taking a selective view of it and are ignoring the bits which a) show the Uk to be a complete bastard and b) which shows the UK has always had alot of immigration. |
As as every country. But Britain as one of the proudest histories in he world. The positives far outweigh the negatives, Britain was on the top of the world for along time and to say your are not proud of that is an insult to all those that gave their time, effort and lives to make Britain great.
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Yes and it used to be 90% so its getting better. In 50 years time as long as the BNP and their like are treated with the contempt they deserve it will be around 10% |
In your view its getting better. As you have pointed out most of the country do not want to live in a multi cultural country yet they are being forced to by the govrnment they elect. Let the people decide whether they want any more immigrants let into the country.
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virtually everyone agrees we should accept people whao are fleeing oppression, and the law is set up to administer this. |
Yes, if the people fleeing from the opression come from one of our neigbouring countries. But some immigrants travel halfway around the world to get here and pass straight through dozens of countries where they will not be opressed. Britain should only take immigrants from places like Ireland, France, Belgium and Holland.
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Scotland. I can't be more specific else they'll find me.
Jan 1970
time: 05:23
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From that YBNP website mentioned before; a list of BNP 'goals'.
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A mass expansion of freedom and democracy to roll back the erosion of our traditional freedoms and truly reflect the wishes of the people; the adoption of popular referenda and hi-tech direct democracy.[q]
As with most questionable groups they use general terms like 'freedom' and 'democracy' without stating frankly that what they appear to want is more freedom for some than others.
[q]The establishment of a government that puts British interests first. |
**** that! What the hell is 'British'? Is the whole country even equal geographically? Scotland and the North of England get routinely raped while South East England benifits.
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An end to immigration and the scandal of bogus asylum-seekers flooding Britain. The use of the billions now wasted in foreign aid to fund generous "Homeward Bound" schemes to encourage immigrants to return to their lands of origin. |
Homeward bound schemes? Even for third and fourth generation ethnics? And what about those that have intermarried? Stop funding foreign aid? What the hell kind of idea is that, we the rich shouldn't give out of mercy to the poor?
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British withdrawal from the European Union: trade with where it suits us but no political ties, and no monetary union. |
**** that. You really think the EU would allow that? The UK has already ****ed them around over the EMU, what right has the UK to say it will take all the benifits of trade cooperation without fronting any of the costs. What makes the people of the UK any different from the people of Spain, Denmark or Portugal?
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The use of the £1 million per hour we at present pay the E.U. to fund the restoration of an effective National Health Service and proactive measures to a healthier population in the first place. |
See above.
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British ownership and control of British industry and resources including the mass media. |
Again what is 'British' and secondly... why? Industry perhaps but Media? Surely 'non-british' people have at the very least a VOICE.
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Protection of British jobs and industry by the selective exclusion of foreign manufactured goods from the British market. |
But from what was suggested earlier this presumably means the BNP does not believe that other countries will do the same. The UK does not have the resources to exist as a completely seperate entity and therefore it is foolish for us to say 'we will not allow X imports which makes Y country rich' because then Y country will just turn round and stop the imports into their land which are making the UK wealthier.
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The introduction of tax incentives and other policies designed to ensure that the City finances British industry rather than foreign competitors. |
And where are they going to get this magic money from? All the previous examples to do with costly policy had the BNP saying 'we will take this from that and but it to work on the next'. Foreign investment numbers well into the billions. Where is the government going to get this money from and why bother if it is strengthening the economy. Just so that there are no 'non-british interests' involved in industry?
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Regeneration of British farming, with the object of achieving the maximum self-sufficiency in food; also the restoration of the fishing industry by protection of our traditional fishing grounds. |
Protection how? With armed patrol boats?
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A healthy environment for a healthy people -the protection of our countryside; a ban on Greenfield -site housing except in cases of genuine local need; an end to field trials of genetically modified crops. |
Great. No green field sites. Cities will become even more delapidated but at least the country side ( which isn't actually doing anything for us ) will be fine.
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A crack-down on crime and tougher treatment of criminals, including the return of the death penalty for child killers and terrorists. |
'Child killer' and 'terrorist' remarks are a deliberate attempt to arouse passions by invoking images which have been in the media recently.
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A return to traditional methods of education, with stronger discipline in the classroom and an end to the 'trendy' teaching methods which have failed our youth so badly. |
Lots of spanking then? It's the youth of the country's job to do better. It's their parents to make them. Changing the education system to the harsh ways of yesteryear is a regression which only aim is 'passing-the-buck'.
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An alternative defense strategy based on the principle of armed neutrality; no British blood should be shed in conflicts which do not involve vital British interests. The restoration of the County Regiment system and the reversal of defense cuts which have weakened our Armed Forces and cost thousands of jobs. |
Yay! More military spending! Just what we ****ing need. Cause god knows how useful what they do is what without our enemies right on our doorstep and no allies. Um.... The County Regiment system? That was abolished after world war one because the male populations of whole towns were being wiped out in a single battle. Not only was it impractical but it was dangerous.
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The crushing of the IRA and other terrorist groups, the termination of the Anglo-Irish agreement and the establishment of a devolved, non-sectarian parliament in Northern Ireland. |
I see. And then what? Expansion into Ireland as 'living room'? What's the point of being rascist once you've exported everyone who isn't the same race as you. Surely the next step is either Anglo-Welsh-Scottish rascism or the expansion of what is 'British' in order for the 'British' people to get more land and enjoy their superiority. No?
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A return to healthy moral values and policies aimed at strengthening the family and community. Tough penalties for corruption in public life. |
Healthy moral values? You can't talk about healthy moral values one moment and then talk about cutting foreign aid the next. The policies of the BNP, even if we say they have a certain base practicallity to them, are inherently wrong. They favour groundless discrimination and an egocentric viewpoint for the country which stems from bottled up hatred and poorly thought-out policies.
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As an immigrant* to the UK, this sums up my impression of the BNP.
The Few - Billy Bragg
At night the Baby Brotherhood and the Inter City Crew
Fill their pockets up with calling cards
And paint their faces red white and blue
Then they go out seeking different coloured faces
And anyone else that they can scare
And they salute the foes their fathers fought
By raising their right hands in the air
Oh look how my country's patriots are hunting down below
What do they know of England who only England know?
From the stands of the Empire Stadium
Come the heralds of the New Dark Age
With the simplicities of bigotry
And to whom all the world's a stage
These little John Bullshits know that the press
Will glorify their feats
So that the general public fear them
And the authorities say give 'em all seats
And the wasted seed of the bulldog breed
Is shouting here we go
What do they know of England who only England know?
Our neighbours shake their heads
And take their valuables inside
While my countrymen piss in the fountains
To express our national pride
And to prove to the world that England
Is just as rotten as she looks
They repeat the lies that caught their eyes
At school in history books
But the wars they think they're fighting
Were all over long ago
What do they know of England who only England know
And the society that spawned them
Just cries out Who's to blame?
And then wraps itself in the Union Jack
And just carries on the same
Oh look out, my country's patriots are hunting down below
What do they know of England who only England know?
* Of course, because I'm white, there'd be no question of me being repatriated.
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Originally posted by Rage
Nobody ever defines a people by their eyes however the same can not be said about skin colour. As I said earlier whites and blacks feel more comfortable when they are with people of the same race-Can anyone truthfully deny that? |
Of course we can because you continue to make the mistake of defining people by their skin tone. Frankly, its depends on the individual as to who they feel comfortable with and I can't say that the colour of someones skin makes a blind bit of difference to how we approach that.
What a sad sample of humanity you are Rage. I pity your blind predjudice and your inability to see people for what they are rather than the colour of their skin.
Just so everyone can understand this, I'll shout.
RAGE IS A RACIST
There you go, I said it for you. Do you feel better now?
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