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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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Israel will NEVER return to 48' borders. 67'ish yes, and I even support it, but 48' is uneacceptable, esp. with most of the pop in that area, both arab and jewish wanting to retain their citizenship. In a conventional war, the only nation standing a chance against Israel is Egypt, and even that is hard because Israel has got such a dominant position now , surveillance-wise, that Egypt has no chance to launch a sneak attack, which is their only hope, if they wish to attack and win.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by Caligastia
World number of whites is in decline too, but what can we do about it? |
I doubt that. Indians are technically white too you know.
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Guardian
See, that's the thing!
Everybody believes that they have "the correct idea about God".
Personally, I say if there even is such a thing as a "correct" idea about God, then I believe only God has the correct idea about God.
So, in my book, anyone who claims to have "the correct idea about God" is in fact claiming to be God - which is a pretty darn arrogant thing for any mortal man to be doing! |
We dont want to kill people who we think are wrong, we dont wanna persecute them, we dont want to persuade them to change their ways(unless they come to us)nor do we think we are better then others-so whats the problem?
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:24
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Originally posted by Azazel
48' borders means the UN partition plan. 67' borders mean pre SDW. |
Actually, the partition plan was in 1947, and since Israel declared independence without delcaring borders for itself, then the partition lines no longer have any legal meaning. Israel borders are the armistice borders that finally came up by 1949-50.
As for the 'Jewish' question. I must say I share some of Andy-Man's discomfort at looking at the Jewish question as one of 'blood'. Blood implies that Jewishness is based on Genetic heritage (ie. Jew that intermarries has "non-jewish"kids cause the blood has been mixed), not as Azazel states, and I agree, on cultural heritage. Which to me smacks far too much of Jews defining themselves as the Nazi's defined them (A definition that lead to horrifc consequences).
It is up to Jews who want to keep their heritage separate to do as they will. This is a 'problem' to be solved privately, not publicly. And as far as the US goes, in various areas, Jewish culture had infused with general culture. This is particularly true in NY City. Everyone in NY knows what Hanukah (spll?) is, as well as all the other high holidays. So Jewishness has left some of its own int the great melting pot, just like all the other groups.
What people should marvel is that the Jews still exist at all. How many of their local neighbors back in 900BC are still around?
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:24
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What people should marvel is that the Jews still exist at all. How many of their local neighbors back in 900BC are still around? |
None, but only thanks to the fact that Jews werent inter-marrying even in the exile.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:24
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Originally posted by GePap
That's because they weren't allowed to: who knows what would have happeend if they were allowed to? After all, the tribes of Israel were not slaughtered by the Assyrians, just let to become part of the bigger Assyrian Empire. |
It doesnt matter why.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:24
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As for the 'Jewish' question. I must say I share some of Andy-Man's discomfort at looking at the Jewish question as one of 'blood'. Blood implies that Jewishness is based on Genetic heritage (ie. Jew that intermarries has "non-jewish"kids cause the blood has been mixed), not as Azazel states, and I agree, on cultural heritage. |
Look, there is a point to caring about genes. Jews are proven to have several unique blood lines, esp. regarding Kohanim - priests.
We kept our culture alive by keeping both our religion and ethnicity relatively secluded and... "pure".
Religion is today much much less binding, and that's why I think that Jews can't be defined using only religion. Many jews lost faith, but remain "hebrew people".
While I agree that there is racist thought in it, it is in a way "a waste" for a culture to die, and all people to mix in a single western culture, as is hapenning now.
That's why I believe in the idea of national states, that should be able to base themselves on ethnicity (if they want to, and if they can achieve it without hurting minorities).
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Which to me smacks far too much of Jews defining themselves as the Nazi's defined them (A definition that lead to horrifc consequences). |
I'm pretty sure that it wasn't their definition that lead to horrific consequences, but more , their intention of what to do with people falling into that definition.
If their definition of Jews would have been: people in white curly gnome hats, their intention is still as heinious.
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It is up to Jews who want to keep their heritage separate to do as they will. This is a 'problem' to be solved privately, not publicly. |
Agreed. I don't know why Eli thinks people care about how many jews are there, unless they have bad intentions.
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And as far as the US goes, in various areas, Jewish culture had infused with general culture. This is particularly true in NY City. Everyone in NY knows what Hanukah (spll?) is, as well as all the other high holidays. So Jewishness has left some of its own int the great melting pot, just like all the other groups. |
Agreed.
and it's great for a political nation like the USA.
in Israel, I think, jewishness should be different I think.
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What people should marvel is that the Jews still exist at all. How many of their local neighbors back in 900BC are still around? |
They exist exactly because they insisted on keeping their faith and bloodline and culture.
Faith is now more elusive and free than ever.
Culture is more and more becoming "general western".
Bloodline is the only thing many Jews feel there is left.
Again, it has it's racist lines, but I see the point. I feel it infact.
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