02-12-2002 02:12									#1
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Well, what would you like to build first?

I realize that this poll will not likely be over before we play the first turn, but we will not have to decide this for about five turns, really (unless we have an unusually good start). On the off chance we play the fifth turn before this is over, I think it should at least be considered a good indicator if more than half of the total active members vote. I hope others agree with me there, or I'll have to go start another poll.

P.S. The extra digit in the unit stats indicates how many shields it requires to be built.

P.P.S. This poll lasts for two days, I hope that's long enough.

Last edited by punkbass2000 on 02-12-2002 at 02:21

	02-12-2002 02:27									#2
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I argue for spearman. If we hit some barbs early on (as we're likely to do, not being expansionist) we need a unit with good defense to defend itself and hopefully become elite. Also, having general spearmen from the beginning will be somewhat of an advantage, given that the only other Scientific civ is Persia/Vox, and lord help is if we start next to them. And it's not like we won't have warriors to upgrade, as we'll definitely build several warriors when a spearman's extra build time will delay a settler construction. I have played many, many ancient ages as Persia over the last few weeks, and there is always good spots for warriors to be built, and if worse comes to build, we can always build extra warriors later, if need be.

	02-12-2002 03:45									#3
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Warrior... depending on starting position.

We're playing in monarch so barbarians won't be a problem.

	02-12-2002 08:46									#4
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actually.. a warrior would be better,
We could think about building one barracks to build horsemen sometime, maybe after 5 cities.
Settlers will be needed soon, and we Need workers eventually too.

	02-12-2002 09:02									#5
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one or two warrior for fast exploring, barrack then any unit we build can be vet.

	02-12-2002 15:54									#6
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We need a warrior to scout for other civs, resources and good city sites. We might, depending on the start position, need several moving out in different directions.

	03-12-2002 00:16									#7
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ARGH!!! We need to get a fast grip on these communications....

I'm glad/over joyed that these discussions are occuring, however, we need to validate the ministries and work that way. It's more efficient.

Starting a new thread....ugh....however, I would vote for warrior, you could build two before a settler, this gives you optimum exploration capability and does not interfere with necessary settler construction unless you're in an awesome start location....

	03-12-2002 01:49									#8
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Two workers, then a settler.

I'm not sure what to do with the first one... explore or defend (gotta watch out for that goody hut... first one always seems to spring up barbs for me). I tend to always try and explore with my first unit, but that might be a risk that everyone is unwilling to take.

	03-12-2002 02:21									#9
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I presume that's two warriors.

	03-12-2002 03:58									#10
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I usually built warriors first too, unless I'n in a situation where I suspect another player will be close by.

	03-12-2002 12:36									#11
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Warrior, we need to explore first to get anywhere.

	03-12-2002 14:09									#12
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quote: Originally posted by punkbass2000 I presume that's two warriors.

Er... yeah...

I think building two Workers might be somewhat detrimental to our survival.

What should we do with this first Warrior then? Use him to explore or defend until we get the next Warrior?

	03-12-2002 16:21									#13
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Taking our starting position into consideration a granary would be nice.

	03-12-2002 18:23									#14
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Explore with both warriors....

	03-12-2002 19:08									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I'm not sure what to do with the first one... explore or defend (gotta watch out for that goody hut... first one always seems to spring up barbs for me).

It seems to me that popping a hut by getting it inside your cultural borders (as opposed to walking into it with a unit) always gives you a 'positive' outcome. Can anyone confirm this?

	03-12-2002 19:35									#16
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No...just last night, this situation popped 3 barbs I wasn't prepared for...I say it's better to pop with a military unit.

	03-12-2002 19:35									#17
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That's been my experience, but I don't know if it's how it is or just good luck.

	03-12-2002 21:05									#18
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quote: Originally posted by WarriorPoet Explore with both warriors....

I concur, Sire.

	03-12-2002 22:42									#19
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If we can get both Warriors done before our border expands (and pops the goody hut), then I say explore... but that's unlikely, so I'm afraid we'll have to keep the 1st one at home... I'm not taking any chances like that in this game, even though I do in my own...

	03-12-2002 23:16									#20
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You have about 8 or 9 turns (give or take) before your culture expands. 5 turns to build the first warrior, and 2 to explore, then one to get back between your city and the goody hut. So, take the warrior, use your two exploritory turns to hop from hill to hill, then move back to a defensive position.

That's a smart compromise, yes?

	04-12-2002 02:51									#21
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Trip IIRC the hut will pop upon founding the city. The hut is currently due S 1 square of the settler, so it wil fall in the 9-square city radius immediately upon founding, so it will be popped. I don't believe u can get barbs in this particular case since their would literally be no way to stop your city from getting ramsacked.

	04-12-2002 03:41									#22
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Yes, it will pop upon founding the city.

	04-12-2002 05:28									#23
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Ahh, you're right... then I suggest exploring with him first then.

Hopefully we'll be lucky.

	04-12-2002 21:51									#24
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That's right! I suggest exploring toward the SE first. NW second. SW third. NE last.

	04-12-2002 22:42									#25
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I would say send the first one W. See Aeson's Scouting Thread for reasons why. After that depends completely upon what the first warrior sees.

	04-12-2002 23:38									#26
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We should head for the mountain to the relative west. That will give us a good overview of the land away from the coast.

	04-12-2002 23:42									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Trip We should head for the mountain to the relative west. That will give us a good overview of the land away from the coast.

Bingo.

	04-12-2002 23:51									#28
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I'll give this advice a shot. Okay, then I say the warrior should go west, and the second should head SE.

	06-12-2002 19:51									#29
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After second warrior we should build a granary and start pumping settlers.

	06-12-2002 20:10									#30
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What should we build AFTER our first warrior? Another one? Or a Spearman?