02-12-2002 05:04									#1
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Well, we founded our capitol city, on the hills away from the ocean. I was interested in moving to the flat wooded land near the ocean (1 SE), so that some day we may build water craft and learn to fish. Unfortunately, many felt that the caves in the hills away from the ocean and the defense they provide was more important. I can understand, as I see the barbarians out there myself when I go hunting.

I tried to look into our future. Perhaps this is the right course to take. Only time will tell.

(PS, this is not be being spitefull, just rp is all. I was outvoted and the decision for this location is valid, just not what I would have choosen.)

	02-12-2002 05:38									#2
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Would you have chosen one square SE, as I would?
(to have sea access)

Well, never mind... what is Madrid's building list?

	02-12-2002 05:43									#3
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so far it is building a warrior, but our leader togas is expected to review the situation and change it as needed.

Science is on Bronze working

slider is set at 50% science, 50% tax (tech in IIRC 34 turns)

our worker is on the cow, and looking to start on a road next turn.

A better RP style analysis is being worked on and sould be posted soon (not by me, however).

	02-12-2002 06:46									#4
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Me and Nuclear Winter I think are working together on a RP style analysis, I just PMed him mine, we will kind of merge the ones we have

	02-12-2002 06:49									#5
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Glad to see the city is founded.

is the sav available anywhere?

	02-12-2002 06:51									#6
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Ninot, if I were you I'd put my addy in the "Email Addresses" or whatever it is thread and ask for the save, or email/PM/something someone from the chat for it. (I know Senor Dejon has it)

	02-12-2002 07:31									#7
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I'm here. Who do I need to contact to get the save emailed to me?

Also, GK, can you give us a screen shot of the first screen and Madrid?

--Togas

	02-12-2002 07:45									#8
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This is splendid, though for business purposes, the city would have been better suited right on the water, saving us a trip over roads to take our squids into the city.

Remember, if you want to, please do write a post for the Chronicles of Iberia thread. It can be short, but please do put in something for as many turns as you can. I don't want to see this become like the fallen history of the Democracy Game of Civ3.

	02-12-2002 07:49									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Togas I'm here. Who do I need to contact to get the save emailed to me? Also, GK, can you give us a screen shot of the first screen and Madrid? --Togas

Links to screenshots are in this thread .

	02-12-2002 09:09									#10
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Somebody is going to have to tell me in simple language how to get to the chat room so I can participate. I’ve never really been in a chat before. You can tell I’m a dinosaur

I would have voted for the forest square between the two hills next to the cow so we could have gotten access to the sea, but I see the point about defence. At least we will eventually have access to the wheat.

	02-12-2002 09:22									#11
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Perhaps soon we may occupy a coastal position. Indeed, we must for the sake of trade. Then, the squid business will truly thrive...

Please, remember the Chronicles of Iberia!!

	02-12-2002 09:30									#12
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so... where can the Governor of Madrid get a SAV to observe his city?

	02-12-2002 09:33									#13
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The teams who chose red and blood-red as their colours should have had a contrasting colour forced on one of them preferably hot pink How are we supposed to tell Vox and Lux apart?

So is this the beginning of the Togas Dynasty? I don’t want to put it in the official chronicle yet in case people don’t like the idea.

Such as

4126 - 4000 BC Togas I, who led the battle against Alaric the Visigoth
4000 - 3982 BC Togas II, who founded Madrid
3982 - 3960 BC Togoran I, who didn’t do much
3960 - 39XX BC Togas III, who gave the orders for Turn 2 (3960 BC)

I have to make up more placeholder names for the obscure Despots who rule between turns and don’t get to do much of anything. We can’t have everyone named Togas Then maybe I need a random number generator for length of reigns.

	02-12-2002 09:57									#14
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy Perhaps soon we may occupy a coastal position. Indeed, we must for the sake of trade. Then, the squid business will truly thrive...

I’m glad we are reasonably near the sea. I’ve heard that desert squid and arctic squid don’t taste very good and are difficult to prepare.

	02-12-2002 10:20									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing our worker is on the cow, and looking to start on a road next turn.

if it can be irrigated and that is our intention, I suggest irrigating first. If you do the math, irrigating first (and switching immediately from the forest bonus tile to utilize the cow tile) and roading second would result in a population growth in 9 turns instead of growth in 10.

IF it can be irrigated...
I cannot tell from the screenshot and with the hills involved if irrigating will be possible.

any thoughts?

	02-12-2002 10:46									#16
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Irrigate beefy plainland first, then build a silvermine perhaps?

[ooc]
In the start, when operating smaller towns, it's wise to often
switch from growth to prod, and vice versa.
So having one great prod-sqr and one great food-sqr
is the best REX procedure.

Then we can spawn new settlers in the optimal rate,
by setting the turns-to-complete-settler ~ turns-to-growth
to equal or near...
[/ooc]

	02-12-2002 11:12									#17
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We shouldn't be hurting for production early on. The forest bonus tile offers 2 shields and the cow tile will offer 2 shields even if it is irrigated. Thats like having 2 hills mined without all the backbreaking labor involved in roading/mining them or the loss of food bails. We are in a very production-friendly starting location

I have no idea what our esteemed Slave Master intends once the borders expand, though. The wheat bonus represents faster growth but a tradeoff with no shields. A study is in order I think.

	02-12-2002 11:49									#18
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Unfortunately we cannot post screenshots or other attachments in the forum at this time. Luckily, Dejon has posted screenshots on his own web space and given us links in this thread

I advise all of you to take a look at these initial images of our first city. I have received a copy of the save. There's not much to it, but if you'd like to view it, follow the special instructions NYE posted in the main forum and send me a PM with your email address. I'll send it out to anyone who makes the request.

Back to Madrid: We CAN irrigate the cattle square that our worker is presently in, and I believe we should do that first. I am anxious to see if my Slave Master and if the Governor of Madrid both agree. It is very clear that our city's initial production is high thanks to the hilly location and the forest (with game) nearby. Mines will be created soon, but irigation is the most important for growth.

--Togas

	02-12-2002 16:23									#19
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I´m going to try my hand at an artistical approach to our great city!

	02-12-2002 23:41									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Back to Madrid: We CAN irrigate the cattle square that our worker is presently in, and I believe we should do that first. I am anxious to see if my Slave Master and if the Governor of Madrid both agree. It is very clear that our city's initial production is high thanks to the hilly location and the forest (with game) nearby. Mines will be created soon, but irigation is the most important for growth. --Togas

Well, I'm glad to hear that recommendation. However, I will reiterate that, if the irrigation comes before the roading of the cow bonus and we switch to work it once irrigation has been completed, we get a population increase in 9 turns instead of 10.

Its not much, but thats a jump on others who won't get that opportunity. And the 4 turns of revenue lost due to roading second is more than made up by our proximity to the river; we already have revenue from the forest +game tile.

	03-12-2002 03:11									#21
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Very good. It is a sound decision. Only with irrigation can our cities thrive.

	03-12-2002 08:10									#22
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What is this "BC" stuff everyone is putting after their dates? I know of no "BC"! Yet, I now realize that I did it myself, I think...

Could someone please explain?

(I'm RPing if you can't tell )

	03-12-2002 13:03									#23
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[OOC] you can post the Jpg pictures by having them in your FTP space and then using the [*IMG]http://address of picture[/*IMG] (without the *) and they will show right here in the Forum. That way, you aren't limited to the 600x600 pixel limit that Poly has for regular attachments.

You also don't have to deal with extra pop-up adds that are part of going to an outside link.

This is an example:



[/ooc]
I paint you a pretty picture, yes?

E_T

	03-12-2002 14:30									#24
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell What is this "BC" stuff everyone is putting after their dates? I know of no "BC"! Yet, I now realize that I did it myself, I think... Could someone please explain? (I'm RPing if you can't tell )

[OOC] Of course I can :P [/OOC]

Shall our High Priest correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it means "Before Cataclism". It is obviously counting the years left after the world ends and we gather with the spirits of all our ancestors at the celestial land.

	03-12-2002 14:36									#25
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Indeed. Upon the year of 0 BC, the stars, sun, and moon shall go out, the sea will boil, rivers will evaporate, blood will rain from the skies, and the earth itself will rend and be destroyed as the spirits of evil at last break through into our world and steal the souls of any not protected by the good spirits. Those who are not taken will then all die, and go on into the afterlife. The world will then be created anew, and another cycle of existence will begin.

Last edited by GeneralTacticus on 03-12-2002 at 14:42

	03-12-2002 17:57									#26
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quote: Originally posted by E_T [OOC] you can post the Jpg pictures by having them in your FTP space and then using the [*IMG]http://address of picture[/*IMG] (without the *) and they will show right here in the Forum. That way, you aren't limited to the 600x600 pixel limit that Poly has for regular attachments. You also don't have to deal with extra pop-up adds that are part of going to an outside link. This is an example: [/ooc] I paint you a pretty picture, yes? E_T

Thanks for the tip, E_T. Those shots I took are 1024x768 - should I reduce them for posts, and if so, what size?

	03-12-2002 20:14									#27
	Re: OOC: Re: posting screenshots Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by dejon Thanks for the tip, E_T. Those shots I took are 1024x768 - should I reduce them for posts, and if so, what size?

[OOC]the stuff that I've posted on the SP DG have been from 700 to 900 pixels in width. I proportion the height to be along with the width, that way it looks better. A screen shot is 1152x748 (I think - thereabout anyways) W/H ratio of 1.54. The picures that I had posted recently in the SP game were attachments (max 600x600), so I divided 600 by 1.54 to get the height of 390. They look sqashed, but they look like what you would see on your screen. Make sure you compress the pictures as much as you can without getting a lot of artifacts that will distort your image. You can run our of FTP space really fast if you don't.

I normally set the width to what I can easily read with my tired eyes and still be small enough to see and try to keep from having to scroll right & left. Of course, I have a 19" monitor and I run at 1152x864 resolution on that monitor.

The nice thing about this method is that you can change the image in your FTP space and it will change as soon as you reload here. So you can make changes quickly.
[/ooc]

Yes, I paint you a pretty picture...

E_T

	05-12-2002 00:59									#28
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0 BC sounds marvellous. Except that I think it entails the end of the squid business forever.

	05-12-2002 11:48									#29
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Enjoy it while you can, Senor Calamari.