02-12-2002 05:44									#1
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I emailed Jon a pic of the starting postition, he is going to email the other team-mates the pic. All i can say is it has to meat on it. Its a good starting position.

	02-12-2002 06:51									#2
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yee haw. Thanks for taking the first turn. Man - I wasn't off the site more than 30 minutes or so. Sat around for a long time slagging legoland and the like.

Guess that's the true value of tag-team.

I guess you are controller for the first round.

REX on!!! Flash.

	02-12-2002 08:00									#3
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everyone who gave their email addy should have it

Jon Miller

	02-12-2002 10:30									#4
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Did you seriously not type in a password?

	02-12-2002 12:28									#5
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err we need a password

	02-12-2002 15:27									#6
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No ****. Flash, that was stupid.

I'm making a starting location simulation now.

	02-12-2002 17:33									#7
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hey, shutup. I asked you eli in the private chat if we needed a password you never answered

	02-12-2002 17:42									#8
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Isnt that obvious?

	02-12-2002 18:24									#9
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Guys - be mellow - it's turn one.

And to Eli and Flash - thanks for walking me through the chat room yesterday. Although it did drag on while I waited for RP.

	02-12-2002 18:31									#10
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As of 7 this morning I had not received a copy of the save.

Can one of you please send to brucehynes57@rogers.com

Thanks. I would be eternally grateful (for about 10 minutes).

I wanna see the start!!!!

	02-12-2002 18:52									#11
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I resent you the simulation save.

	02-12-2002 18:53									#12
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As agreed in :
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=69540
And :
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=69531

I replayed the turn and set a password(PMed to Jon Miller for him to decide whether everyone should know it or not).
In the turn I did the same moves Flash did.

	02-12-2002 19:15									#13
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Eli - thanks!

Yup - I had read through those forums and voted for the approach taken. I'm getting to know my way around the forums a bit better.

Still can't figure out how to:

a) subscribe to, or have the Vox Controli forum show up. The only way I know how to get to it is to go to My Threads, enter one of the threads, and then when it shows up at the top - click on it there.

b) how to start a thread. I would like to start a discussion regarding the alliance technology research idea I posted on the Hello thread - (which - I sheepishly admit - is the only one I was checking for awhile there.)

	02-12-2002 19:30									#14
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound a) subscribe to, or have the Vox Controli forum show up. The only way I know how to get to it is to go to My Threads, enter one of the threads, and then when it shows up at the top - click on it there.

Add the Vox Controli main forum page to your favorites/bookmarks :
http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdis...?s=&forumid=170

quote: b) how to start a thread. I would like to start a discussion regarding the alliance technology research idea I posted on the Hello thread - (which - I sheepishly admit - is the only one I was checking for awhile there.)

To the left of the "Post Reply" button there is a "New Thread" button.
Those buttons can be found at the top of a thread or a forum page. Below the chat thingie and above the posts inside a thread, or above the chat thingie in any main forum page.

	02-12-2002 23:04									#15
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OK looks good. We will have to wait 10 turns for the really good stuff.

can we irrigate that inland lake? If we can we are in a real good position.

I can't remember if that fish was in the right position.

	02-12-2002 23:15									#16
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Yes, the fish on the ocean coast, the cow to the north-east and the incense in the north-west are all in position with the city - when the city expands, we will have all 3 in our radius. We also have game located just south-east of the city (in the forest) which should be used right now to assist in production/food...is that another game icon I see under our worker??

Concerning the lake on the south side of our capital - with it being there, our capital doesn't have to build an aquaduct to expand past size 6 - this is GREAT news...and of course we can use the lake to irrigate our terrain.

Last edited by Wittlich on 02-12-2002 at 23:21

	03-12-2002 03:11									#17
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Eli - muchos gracias, for the info above.

And thanks for the file. At home after work now. My first chnace to see the start - meat yes, as Flash said. Plus game, plus fish.

But heh - are we on an island?? Looks like it to me.

And - we are off in a nice cozy corner of the world.

	03-12-2002 03:13									#18
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hopefully were not on an island

	03-12-2002 03:25									#19
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If not an island, then a peninsula, with the mainland to the SW??

Question - what's the plan for the worker - build road to next city site?

	03-12-2002 03:59									#20
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Eli


Add the Vox Controli main forum page to your favorites/bookmarks :
http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdis...?s=&forumid=170

OK - I have done this already with Jon's advice. And it gets me there no problem.

However, is there no easier way to access once you are in Apolyton. ie Forums General - Civ III - C3PTWDG - C3PTWDG Vox Controli - or anything like that?

	03-12-2002 04:04									#21
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Nope. This is an "unlisted" forum.

	03-12-2002 05:36									#22
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OK. Understood. Thanks.

	03-12-2002 05:43									#23
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Did you see GoW's starting position the C3PTWDC forum? As Wittlich so aptly put it - OUCH. An island of one tile. I betcha we are on an island too. Only larger.

Didn't someone set the start conditions, or were they all random? This could be a real boring game for the first upmteen turns if everyone starts on their own island.

Then again - research like mad and get that caravel going.

	03-12-2002 06:17									#24
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I too think that we mgiht be on an Island - and if you'll notice, our Capital doesn't have access to the ocean...so building our second city should be a priority...even if the island turns out to not being big enough for 2 cities, we may have to cram the second one in there somewhere - just so that we can eventually build boats.

	03-12-2002 06:19									#25
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I always build cities within two of eachother (except in some cases of leaving more room for a capital city

Jon Miller

	03-12-2002 06:19									#26
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Of course, we don't know for sure if that is GoW's real starting position...but if it is, we don't have to worry about one team for the time being....now about the other four teams...

	03-12-2002 06:23									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I always build cities within two of eachother (except in some cases of leaving more room for a capital city Jon Miller

Within 2 of each other?! Wouldn't you have city overlap? I fit cities as close together without getting the overlap - basically, after the city expands, that is the template I use for planning future cities and have them interlock as close as possible without overlap. Of course, ocassionally I will get a slight overlap because of terrain restrictions.

	03-12-2002 06:50									#28
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I have tons of overlap

but I feel what is important is to have lots of mutually supporting cities

and to use the land you have to its upmost

Jon Miller

	03-12-2002 07:10									#29
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I usually take my next city to the best spot available, at least 6 tiles away. In the early game, I like to stake out territory. The citizens in the early game se the best tiles, and when you get into the later game, they use the others. What concerns me more in the early game is staking out land. As much as I can get. With as many resources and bonus (eg wheat and gold) tiles.

If on an island, as I think we are, Witt's comments apply.

Why in godz name for a demo game did they not put everything at normal settings - or even Pangea - for the sake of a quasi-normal game. It would have been more interesting for meeting other civs, etc.

I suspect they set it at random, and it generated a world of islands. Or - maybe only two of us started on islands. Doubt it. Or - maybe there is a big landmass waiting for the first wave of immigrants.

Or - maybe Markos set it up this way to see how all the white mice play....

(I have asked a couple of times now about marcos playing the Greeks individually in this game - ie without a team - and everyone always remains strangely quiet - what gives??)

	03-12-2002 12:42									#30
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I usually don't build that close unless terrain is limited. If terrain is limited I will use up every single "good" terrain- grassland etc. So if we are on an island we should utilize every decent terrain square possible.

And of course if we are on an island we will have nothing else to build. We should build settlers, temple. And shift our focus to getting caravel before the Republic.

To the west I saw that mountain chain. Hopefully there is something beyond that.