04-12-2002 19:30									#1
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I've noticed in the PTW forums that people love playing MP games with AI's involved. My only thought is why bother... I play MP so I can play against real people and not the stupid AI. If I wanted to do that, I would just play in single play mode.

Does anybody play Civ II MP games and enjoy having moronic AI's running around?

	04-12-2002 21:03									#2
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I like them because they don't whine and cry when you backstab them.

Plus, they don't have connection problems and usually do worse then me, which makes them a more inviting target.

But normally I never play with them.

	04-12-2002 21:13									#3
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And the AI doesn't conform to a lot of the Gentleman's agreement rules like "no city bribe" or "no tech trading".

I never included them and only discussed adding them once to a duel because I was bored and wanted to see how they would impact the duel. The other person laughed at the suggestion.

RAH

	04-12-2002 22:18									#4
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Yeah but remember way back when civ2 MP came out AI's were usually present. It just took us a while to realise that the first person to find and exploit them had an advantage. I'm sure that will occur for PTW.

	04-12-2002 22:19									#5
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I played a couple of 7-civ duels with Zep, this turned out to be quite fun as its something different from your usual boring 'every game the same basic strat' duel.

	05-12-2002 01:46									#6
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well i don't know why we play with ais either, some of the human ones are more of a nuicance with their silly play styles, and their built in chatter is deceptive

but the ais built into the games i play are FF, DD, and B...... and any comment about how i lost to one of the ais listed above is really just hot air

	05-12-2002 02:54									#7
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We used to include some AI civs to give the warmongers something to do

	05-12-2002 03:12									#8
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Since it seems like you aren't allowed to attack each other, I can see why

And War...



Funny... but not nice

	05-12-2002 03:46									#9
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Since I've beaten you twice now War, I guess the AI theory doesn't work anymore...

	05-12-2002 03:52									#10
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Horsies perceptions of the Aussie games and the rulles he's posted are entirely a paradigm he's created for himself

Of course anything can happen in Aussie games.

finbar is a peaceful player but can attack without warning;
Horsie wants to attack all the time but worries a lot about the consequences (particularly since our last game!);
Hydey attacks unexpectedly;
Makeo attacks expectedly;
Raz is sadl;y lost to Civ 3 ;
and I play silly buggers to get others to attack me because it's fun to keep the gimmick going about my SPOTLESS rep...

So you see it's Horsie who really insists on 'special rules' in his mind so he can maintain control and stay within his comfort zone

He gets personally annoyed if you don't trade maps or don't respond to deals, as though other players should fit in with his negotiations. If I ignore his negotiations it's part of the game play; and he uses icq which I don't like. I tend to use KC and if I stuff up and copy to the wrong civ, well, it's a laugh!

That's when Makeo calls me a doofus

And for Horsie to keep insisting on hosting on a dial up is ridiculous! I hope Hydey hosts tonight BTW...

	05-12-2002 03:53									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Flatlander Fox Since I've beaten you twice now War, I guess the AI theory doesn't work anymore...

	05-12-2002 03:56									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Flatlander Fox Since I've beaten you twice now War, I guess the AI theory doesn't work anymore...

You actually finished a game with War4?

LOL

He keeps having connection problems I thought....

	05-12-2002 04:04									#13
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No finishes (only his), read his sig and his location and you'll figure out what happened the last time...

And the first time I just found him early, fought a few battles and got him to the loser's screen.

But not bad for an AI...

	05-12-2002 04:12									#14
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pretty lucky, i can tip my hat to skill, so far i haven't seen any from you Mr. Fox.....

but then again, no one can win all the time unless your EON

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Deity hardly ever plays with us any more - he's really a fringe player these days, makes the occasional guest appearance.

	05-12-2002 04:38									#16
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pretty lucky

I wholeheartedly agree.

i can tip my hat to skill, so far i haven't seen any from you Mr. Fox

And this says WHAT about your skills when you've lost to me?


Anyway, looking forward to kicking your ass again this weekend!

	05-12-2002 04:41									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Flatlander Fox And this says WHAT about your skills when you've lost to me?

*snicker*

	05-12-2002 04:43									#18
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever pretty lucky, i can tip my hat to skill, so far i haven't seen any from you Mr. Fox..... but then again, no one can win all the time unless your EON

You lost twice to AI?

Oh and nobody wins all the time

	05-12-2002 04:48									#19
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quote: The next person to yell peace and then backstab me a few turns later, is going to get a swift kick in the ass!

Well played FF

	05-12-2002 04:51									#20
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quote: Originally posted by rah And the AI doesn't conform to a lot of the Gentleman's agreement rules like "no city bribe" or "no tech trading". RAH

The solution is you deal with the Ai's differently from the human players. Do unto them as they do unto you.

Unfortunately noone bothered to tell me this for months

	05-12-2002 06:26									#21
	Re: Why Bother With AI's Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Ming I've noticed in the PTW forums that people love playing MP games with AI's involved. My only thought is why bother... I play MP so I can play against real people and not the stupid AI. If I wanted to do that, I would just play in single play mode. Does anybody play Civ II MP games and enjoy having moronic AI's running around?

I think with PTW, they want multiplayer and a lot of Civs, but more than 3 or 4 human players and the game lags too much, so they use AI.

ACK!

	05-12-2002 06:40									#22
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the first time i lost, he found my first two cities right at the beginning, more like crap luck for me, and he knocked me out, we have all done it to someone before..

the second time, he screams peace, and 5 turns later, when my army has gone elsewhere, stabs me in the back. i was so incensed that i fought for a little bit and then disbanded my troops in disgust in all my other cities

so i have yet to see any skill other than treachery...which i won't fall for again.

i look forward to the future

	05-12-2002 07:29									#23
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever so i have yet to see any skill other than treachery...which i won't fall for again.

Is there really any other skill?


Upon Edit: Screamed for peace wasn't exactly correct... I said "We both have bigger fish to fry". It turned out that War smelled fishy that night.

Anyway, we should just save this for the next game... I am looking forward to it greatly.

	05-12-2002 07:32									#24
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Yeah... cheating... But thank god, our group doesn't practice that skill

	05-12-2002 08:35									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Flatlander Fox Is there really any other skill? Upon Edit: Screamed for peace wasn't exactly correct... I said "We both have bigger fish to fry". It turned out that War smelled fishy that night. Anyway, we should just save this for the next game... I am looking forward to it greatly.

actually, you asked for peace in kingschat....... then attacked me shortly there after, although you also said, we have bigger fish to fry....

	05-12-2002 08:41									#26
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Yes... the next game with you two in it should be REAL INTERESTING...

	05-12-2002 08:46									#27
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and yes there is other true skill...... but if you can't see that , well ....i guess that explains why i am the better player, despite your weak victories.

if i beat you before 3000bc like you did in the first game , i would just say it was luck....which it was

and the second game, if i did that to you...haha..well you would be agitated and make sure it would never happen again ...which it wont ....at least not like that

the beat goes on......

	05-12-2002 09:20									#29
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jezus and rice Ming, your going to put on weight eating all that popcorn

	05-12-2002 09:24									#30
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You've seen a picture of me... gain weight...