05-12-2002 22:47									#91
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Hmmm....pioneer were you in the Greek army?

	05-12-2002 23:42									#92
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I was in the army and all I got was an olive green t-shirt.

	06-12-2002 02:56									#93
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Sir Ralph... 14 years? German army? What position?

	06-12-2002 17:03									#94
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Jaako, the ppl who wear military effects after their year of service are either farmers or gimpers.

	06-12-2002 17:34									#95
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Yes - mandatory.
I learned from inside what a communist comunity was like. I had great fun, but I'm happy it's over. Dam' commies.

	06-12-2002 21:16									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Lars-E Hmmm....pioneer were you in the Greek army?

Yup, only for six months becuse I am what you call a Greek in Diaspora (basically an immigrant that has been living outside Greece for all his life). Of course six months is not a lot but it was enough to tell me that from that army and its training I am not going to learn much!

So long...

	06-12-2002 21:35									#97
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Well, if I was borned then, I would have joined the Roman legions.

If it wasn't that I'm 4F material, I would of signed up on 9/12/01.

	07-12-2002 02:34									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Lars-E Jaako, the ppl who wear military effects after their year of service are either farmers or gimpers.

I never did, I just "acquired" an extra shirt after they made me pay for a pair of ancient, busted up gloves that fell from my pocket when I was hauling ammo boxes from a bunker on some tiny island.

	07-12-2002 07:08									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka But Rasbelin what are you talking about? Our army pays good money. 3 euros per day, now that's good for 24h a day!

hehe I got 90-100 kr a day which I think is a lot more than 3 euros. but I'm sure you gyus had much better equipment

	07-12-2002 07:17									#100
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Army yeuch what a waste of good people.

	07-12-2002 07:30									#101
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I'm a year short of being of age to join the army, but I'm planning on it. So bananna.

	07-12-2002 07:35									#102
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tho im 1/2 korean, i was born in seoul, even tho i moved right away to US when i was an infant. So, when the draft notice came, we had to avoid the draft with valid reason (resident of anothe country) This shouldnt have come up if my dad wasnt lazy enough to do paper work to change my citizenship, but nevertheless we forgot about it and I would have been charged with military crime so I went for three months of boot camp during summer while they cleared the papers. My korean family has some deep military background in the marines so thats where i naturally got asigned to. I got off easy tho since they knew id leave and I was son of etc. It was an interesting experience nevertheless.

	07-12-2002 07:41									#103
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US Navy. 3 years 1 month 13 days. They call it a kitty cruise. Discharge was automatic 1 day prior to 21st birthday. My birthday was on Sunday that year so they let me out on Friday 24 hours early.

	07-12-2002 08:23									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 I don't see why anyone would want to go through the amount of lack of control and most of all the brainwashing that goes on... Enlighten me

I've joined the United States Navy for a 6-year hitch. Free Healthcare, housing allowance (when living off base), get to see the world, free education (including tuition for university classes).

Also, it's the Navywide sport to gripe and moan about superiors. Very little brainwashing occurs.

Plus, you make good friends, or, "shipmates" as we would call them in the Navy for life.

The (American) Armed Services also provides a way to improve the adult life of people who come from the lower socio-economic bracket. I have friends I wouldn't have hung out with back home. Or at Texas A&M.

	07-12-2002 17:11									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka But Rasbelin what are you talking about? Our army pays good money. 3 euros per day, now that's good for 24h a day!

Yes, that's true, but it's still not a real salary, right? It's only the daily "allovance" you get for being nice and being there. Your not awarded for any skills you get, IMO. Compare that to what you basically earn as the salary in the e.g. British army, it's still little as your not paid for being a professional soldier. Reason: if you get there for mandatory service, you don't get paid for it as your real profession. To in a paid army it would be trippled or even more (e.g. 3 x 3 €). And as this little capitalist plan goes on, the army could offer paid services to foreign friendly countries (sidenote: being in the NATO wouldn't make this possible, as they woudn't allow us to charge nice little sums ). This would mean less tax money would have to be spent on the military and we would get an army for highly motivated soldiers that also get paid (not paid some daily "allovance"), plus as you have been waiting for Pekka; some little action every and now and then.

	07-12-2002 23:25									#106
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yes - not mandatory. everyone is a volunteer in finnish army.

quote: Originally posted by Pekka Imagine your ladies and wifes would go through it and when you shout orders, they won't spend 30 minutes with make up and you waiting in the car swearing. It's beautiful 'ONE MINUTE! MOVE MOVE MOVE!'.

guardian: sorry to hear about your wife.

	08-12-2002 02:05									#107
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Rasbelin, Yep, I agree. 3 euros per day is not exactly motivating. Considering that for example I spent a year in there, I acutally LOST my savings I had work very hard for. 3 euros per day, that won't even cover for smokers cigarettes.. and if you want to have a coffee in the evening.. well you just have to pay for it and you're on your way of losing life savings . Year is a long time to cover your bills etc. It isn't fun to leave the army broke.
People always say you get free food etc. But you don't just 'get it for free', you EARN it and every damn food you eat is well earned. It's just our shitty economy, I hate it, and it's so cold again outside that I think we should invade Florida right about now.

	08-12-2002 02:23									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin And as this little capitalist plan goes on, the army could offer paid services to foreign friendly countries

Finnish Mercenaries.

	08-12-2002 02:26									#109
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I love that idea. Pick me me me me!

	08-12-2002 04:56									#110
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Well I was in one week 'preparations for boot camp', which I'm thankful for.

It's like a 5 day boot camp, with 1/3 of the physical pressure and 1/2 of the psychological one.

Thus, I now won't get into a draftee shock when I go to the real thing.


I will either go to learn some science (probably computer science) and then get drafted as an officer for 6 years to work in my profession, with a B.Sc

Or... I will go to regular army. Right now I'm being tested for all sorts of options for Intelligence corps.

	08-12-2002 05:14									#111
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Good luck Sirotnikov! Hope you make it.
If you make it.. we can share some info you know .

	08-12-2002 05:16									#112
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Drafted and rejected due to poor eyesight. Did spend some time in the ROTC, though.

	09-12-2002 15:35									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Rasbelin, Yep, I agree. 3 euros per day is not exactly motivating.

3 euros!! That's a lot of money! In Greece we received 2,8 euros per month! I guess that was part of the training learn how to live in austerity just in case the Germans or the Turks come again!

So long...

PS: No kiddin' you or your parents have to finance you through your military (which is mandatory!!!) ! !

So long...

	09-12-2002 15:43									#114
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quote: Originally posted by The Pioneer 3 euros!! That's a lot of money! In Greece we received 2,8 euros per month! I guess that was part of the training learn how to live in austerity just in case the Germans or the Turks come again! So long... PS: No kiddin' you or your parents have to finance you through your military (which is mandatory!!!) ! ! So long...

Greeks' saying when going to do their military service.
"We are the world's cheapest whores. (We get f*cked and are payed dimes)".

	09-12-2002 15:52									#115
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in norway we got about 13 euros a day.
(but we had to buy toiletries etc ourselves )

	09-12-2002 15:56									#116
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 "We are the world's cheapest whores. (We get f*cked and are payed dimes)".

Hey, hooker!

	09-12-2002 15:57									#117
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Affordable hooker, please

	09-12-2002 16:05									#118
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Be cost effective, buy Greek.

Or maybe it should be...

Be cost effective, buy Greeks.

	09-12-2002 16:07									#119
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Well with that price, I guess you can buy yourself a whole battalion (of hookers)

	09-12-2002 20:19									#120
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@Paikti, How does the saying go in Greek?

Cheap we were though

So long...