05-12-2002 18:49									#1
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With the correct starting positions? Then I'm in for a game. The map, will be this map: (Kal-Els Earth 180x180 v1.6) from the scenario folder included in PTW... I just changed the starting positions for the new Civs (Since they wasn't added in the original file)?

I know I'll play as a random Civ

Anyone interested?


Btw. I'd say we should use my mod:

I have added a lot of cities for the old Civs.
I have made a minor change (road now requires wheel)

The last change can quickly be changed back to normal, but I'd like to play with more cities, than there where in the orig game...

Players in the game:
ADG Playing as Random
Eli Playing as Persia
Ananias Playing as Celts
Conqueror Playing as Americans
Dissident Playing as Aztecs
jshelr Playing as Russia

The playing order:

1) ADG
2) Jshelr
3) Ananias
4) Dissident
5) Eli
6) Conqueror

Last edited by Adagio on 09-12-2002 at 19:44

	05-12-2002 19:10									#2
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Yes!

Let me check the map before I pick a civ though.

	05-12-2002 19:21									#3
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Btw, where does Celts, Ottomans and Carthage start? I have no clue, so I just placed them somewhere, where I think they might belong...

	05-12-2002 19:24									#4
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I'll take India.

Can we reduce corruption a bit? To 70-80%? It ruins the game for me.

	05-12-2002 19:27									#5
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And I think we should avoid from starting too close to eachother. The map is big enough.

	05-12-2002 19:27									#6
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Sure, no problems... I don't like the corruption much either...

I've set it to 75%

	05-12-2002 19:39									#7
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Hmph.

I'm rethinking my civ choice.

India has a great starting location, but sucky traits.

Persia is very near, and has great traits.

But if I take Persia, and someone else grabs India...

	05-12-2002 19:44									#8
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Hmmm...tough decision... Try random... that's a very good Civ, it has all Civ traits

	05-12-2002 23:29									#9
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sounds fun. I'll be the Celts unless they start too close to somebody else. BTW, for starting position for them just about anywhere in central or west europe can be defended as a good historical choice.

Carthage should start on the north west coast of Africa, since that's where Carthage was. They were originaly a phonecian colony, so I think the civilization should be called the phoneicans. But thats a different topic.

Ottomans should be in Asia Minor (Turkey) since thats where they held the seat of their power for so long.

I'll pm you this message with my email added.

	05-12-2002 23:59									#10
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Ok, thx for the information. That means I have placed both the Carthage and the Celts the wrong place... I'd better go change it now, before I forget

	06-12-2002 00:15									#11
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I could see this as great fun So i'm in.

But there are few things that need some clearing:

quote: Originally posted by ADG Btw. I'd say we should use my mod:

1. How are we able to use a mod in PBEM ? BTW - i dont exactly like the idea of road requiring the Wheel but if others are up for it, then OK.

2. What are the game settings (huts, difficulty, barbarians) ?

If the huts are enabled then I'll take the Americans, i like exp/ind if there are huts to pop.

If not - i have to rethink my civ choise.

	06-12-2002 00:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Conqueror 1. How are we able to use a mod in PBEM ?

Hehe Quoting my own text

I meant that ofcourse a scenario or a mod can be loaded when creating the game but how would one be able to use two of these at the same time. If we are already using the world map, that would be the scenario one - how can you use another one at the same time.

	06-12-2002 00:21									#13
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Difficulty: Regent (Since it's just in the middle)... huts/babarians haven't been decided yet...

That reminds me: I have changed the Americans to sci/ind, but I believe most people prefer them to be exp/ind, so I'll change them back to normal

	06-12-2002 00:25									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Conqueror Hehe Quoting my own text I meant that ofcourse a scenario or a mod can be loaded when creating the game but how would one be able to use two of these at the same time. If we are already using the world map, that would be the scenario one - how can you use another one at the same time.

Doesn't it just load up the normal .bix file when starting a game? And that scenario haven't any rules (Well... I can't edit the rules when opening that map...and I'm playing that map now, with my own rules AFAIR, but I might be mistaking...I'll go check)

	06-12-2002 00:31									#15
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Yes, I just started a new game, on that map, and I've got the roads not avaliable until Wheel...

How do you others think about that change? Should I change it back to normal, or should we try it out? I just made that change, to make the invention Wheel a little more interesting (That one is usually one of the last inventions I invent, during that age...)

	06-12-2002 00:37									#16
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If no one else takes any civs in the Mesopotamia-India region, switch me to Persia.

	06-12-2002 00:42									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Eli If no one else takes any civs in the Mesopotamia-India region, switch me to Persia.

It depends does ADG give us huts to pop or not If not i may just take some civ from around there

	06-12-2002 00:45									#18
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I'm not the only one in charge of the huts/babarians... Just tell me, what settings you'd like for them, and then we'll just before the game starts, see how people "vote" on the different options...

Personally, I wouldn't care about if they're on or not, since both is fun

Eli >> For now, you're set to Persians then

	06-12-2002 00:46									#19
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How many people should be in the game? 5?

	06-12-2002 00:52									#20
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quote: Originally posted by ADG huts/babarians... Just tell me, what settings you'd like for them

I'll vote for huts enabled and Raging barbarians

quote: Originally posted by ADG How many people should be in the game? 5?

4-6 humans is good, its a bit more faster pace than full 8 humans.

	06-12-2002 12:09									#21
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is this game filled yet? I'm interested in the Aztecs

	06-12-2002 12:57									#22
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How many AIs then?

	06-12-2002 17:51									#23
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This is a neat idea. Iriquois please if there is room in the game. Can we use Marla's map with civs sited "properly?"

It's going to take approximately forever to play the game, but that is ok.

BTW, the Aztec choice is clever. No one starts in South America

	06-12-2002 18:16									#24
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If we say, Max 6 players, then the game is filled if Conqueror, Dissident and jshelr is in the game.

The reason I didn't pick Marla's map, was: AFAIR that map is bigger, and the starting positions haven't been set...

Conqueror >> Which Civ would you want to play as?

As for AI's. I wouldn't mind having them in the game, but I wouldn't mind not having them in either... What do you others think?


BTW: When shall we start the game? Monday? During the weekend? Later?

	06-12-2002 19:34									#25
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quote: As for AI's. I wouldn't mind having them in the game, but I wouldn't mind not having them in either... What do you others think?

I think we should skip them.

But I see a possible problem concerning the civ choice.

At this point, every civ has an entire region to expand to, without competition.
Dissident and Jshelr have North/South America, Ananias has Western Europe and the British Isles and I have the India and the Middle East region.

If Conqueror or ADG's random civ are in one of these areas, some players will have huge advantages over others.
For example, if someone picks America then Jshelr will be in problems, or Ananias if someone picks the French, or myself if someone takes Babylon.

So IMO, since we all know the map and the civ locations arent random, to keep the game balanced every player should have his "own" region.

	06-12-2002 19:39									#26
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quote: As for AI's. I wouldn't mind having them in the game, but I wouldn't mind not having them in either... What do you others think?

In second thought, maybe they can be used to fill unused regions, like Africa, East Asia or maybe even Russia(if no one picks a civ there of course).

We should have huts, and barbarians, but not too much of them.

	06-12-2002 20:08									#27
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Or, darn

On Marla's map, the Iriquois get one cow and one wheat per city. Your alternative probably won't make Canada look like heaven.

	06-12-2002 20:26									#28
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Well... I might want to take Egypt or China then, just to avoid the mentioned problem...

	07-12-2002 01:54									#29
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IMHO,

up to 3 AI should be used to fill empty regions
(whats the point of multiplayer if AI abounds?)

(# of human players)/2 > or = # of AI


We should have some huts, but I think its silly when you can pick up your first 8 techs just by letting a couple scouts walk around, so not too many.

I would encourage Conquerer to pick a civ for the sake of maintaining regions. then we can pick AIs that we know wont start too close to anyone.

	07-12-2002 02:31									#30
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There are still four free regions.

Northern Africa and South Europe - Carthage, Egypt, Rome, Greece, Spain... Maybe someone else.

South&Central Africa - Zulus, err... and the others.

Oceania - No one starts there, but we can make some custom realistic civ like the Aborigines.

East Asia - China, Japan, the Mongols, the Koreans.

East Europe, Russia - Russia... and that's it I think.