06-12-2002 19:13									#1
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Did you have to wear a uniform when you were at school? How did you feel about it? Do you feel differently about them now that you're older?

I used to have to wear a uniform to school, and at the time I disliked it, but now I can see the positive side. I think uniforms are valuable as a means of encouraging young people to be more disciplined. They give a sense of order and belonging. School uniforms also eliminate the fashion consciousness which poorer students might not be able to keep up with.

	06-12-2002 19:16									#2
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Yeah, right on! Like in Hitlerjugend!!!

	06-12-2002 19:17									#3
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I went to a private school for high school and we had uniforms. Boys in khaki pants, blue or white dress shirts, a blue and red tie, blue or black socks only. I didn't mind, as I never had to worry about what I was going to wear that day.

The girls didn't care for it as much. They had to wear a white or yellow blouse and one of those plaid skirts. Winters could be cold...

I think public school districts should be able to adopt uniforms if they want. I don't see them as being negative in any way.

	06-12-2002 19:19									#4
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I was required to wear a uniform at seconday school, although my primary school didn't adopt one until after I left.

Personally, I can't see the point in them. The arguments for them are, in my opinion, rather flimsy. Schools should help encourage individuality, not conformity.

	06-12-2002 19:27									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Paul Hanson I was required to wear a uniform at seconday school, although my primary school didn't adopt one until after I left. Personally, I can't see the point in them. The arguments for them are, in my opinion, rather flimsy. Schools should help encourage individuality, not conformity.

Schools have quite enough indiscipline and "individuality" these days. In an atmosphere of learning, conformity of appearance helps eliminate distractions from immature minds.

	06-12-2002 19:33									#6
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My main opposition to school uniform comes from most of them looking so lame. Someone should design a stylish-looking uniform.

	06-12-2002 19:35									#7
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There's a difference between a lack of discipline and a lack of individuality. Besides, when I was at primary school, I was never distracted by what people were wearing. At college it was the same. I can't really see that for the 5 years inbetween that I would have been.

The financial argument might hold more clout if uniforms weren't so expensive in the first place. My first one cost about £50-60, and given that children grow quickly I had outgrown it within a year or so and needed to replace most of it.

And the idea that they create a sense of belonging? Excuse me, but I'm young enough to remember being of school-going age and never felt that I wanted to "belong " to the school at any point. Children are more than willing to be a part of a community, but the school just isn't the community that they would really want to be a part of.

	06-12-2002 19:41									#8
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I like school uniforms. In our schools, They're just a pair of trousers, and a T-shirt with a school insignia.

we of course, used to put dress shirts, and all kind of stuff above it and basically looked all different so that rule was rather void of content, because it allowed it.

	06-12-2002 19:43									#9
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I think its pretty sadistic when I still see girls forced to wear skirts in January. Otherwise I don't see a problem with them as long as they are kept out of public schools. Picking on kids dressed differently then I was was one of the greatest joys of my childhood.

	06-12-2002 19:53									#10
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did you try reading books?

	06-12-2002 19:57									#11
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I was too busy staring at the girls who liked to push the limits of the dress code.

	06-12-2002 20:30									#12
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I didn't have uniforms at my school. It was great. Nothing better than checking out all the girls ahhhh sweet memories...

Anyways, I'm against uniforms for public schools. Private schools, I don't care. They're private organizations that can do what they want as long as they don't receive any public money in way of vouchers or tax breaks.

	06-12-2002 20:37									#13
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I prefer freedom... I have never had a school uniform, and I'll NEVER have one on, since it takes away freedom (And looks damn ugly, and stupid)...

If they one day change the rules, so on all schools, the kids have to have uniforms...then I'll change my opinion on having children, I don't want to see my kids running around in stupid uniforms...

	06-12-2002 21:01									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I didn't have uniforms at my school. It was great. Nothing better than checking out all the girls ahhhh sweet memories... Anyways, I'm against uniforms for public schools. Private schools, I don't care. They're private organizations that can do what they want as long as they don't receive any public money in way of vouchers or tax breaks.

Public schools have the same authority to require uniforms as they have to enforce any standard of dress, require students to buy text books, attend class, etc.

It's a district call. If a district votes to have uniforms, that's their right.

And vouchers have nothing to do with this.

	06-12-2002 21:02									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I didn't have uniforms at my school. It was great. Nothing better than checking out all the girls ahhhh sweet memories... Anyways, I'm against uniforms for public schools. Private schools, I don't care. They're private organizations that can do what they want as long as they don't receive any public money in way of vouchers or tax breaks.

Why shouldn't public schools have uniforms?

	06-12-2002 21:10									#16
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I went to public school until 8th grade, then I left for my safty (Let's just say I got into this fight with this guy, and a certain ethnic group was constantly giving death threats and a daily groan kick), so I had to goto a private school.

In terms of uniforms, it doesn't matter if a school has it or not. Both in public and private I've seen, kids are still kids and will stay that way. I wouldn't lose sleep over this.

If you want to get kids to behave, BRING BACK THE PADDLE!!! I'm all for that, at least I'm sure Ming is.

	06-12-2002 21:12									#17
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I had uniforms at school. It was Ok. I doubt the girls would have been wearing skirts otherwise.

	06-12-2002 21:28									#18
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I had uniforms at school. It was Ok. I doubt the girls would have been wearing skirts otherwise.

Oh, so you also placed a small mirror on your shoes in the lunch line eh?

	06-12-2002 21:29									#19
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No, that would be wrong.

The other thing was that school regulations said that skirts had to be below knee length so of course all the girls felt they had to rebel against that rule and get their skirts as short as possible. YEAH!

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH No, that would be wrong. The other thing was that school regulations said that skirts had to be below knee length so of course all the girls felt they had to rebel against that rule and get their skirts as short as possible. YEAH!

yeah, my princible had a system. He got them on thier knees, and if their skirt didn't touch the ground... it's too short. Of course, he didn't do this just to check skirt length.

	06-12-2002 21:35									#21
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I never had to wear a school uniform so maybe that's why I'm not dead set against them. In fact I think they might even be a good idea.

	06-12-2002 21:37									#22
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH No, that would be wrong. The other thing was that school regulations said that skirts had to be below knee length so of course all the girls felt they had to rebel against that rule and get their skirts as short as possible. YEAH!

Yup, our girls did the same thing. They would roll up the top of their skirts to make them shorter. My friend Kristen was assualted one day by the perveted chemistry teacher who said her skirt was too short and started to unroll it for her...

The headmaster would often walk up to the boys and check to see that our collars were buttoned and ties straight. He thought it was amusing and a way of bonding with us. We just made fun of him for being an anal-retentive weenie.

	06-12-2002 21:43									#23
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At the time (age 13-16) I thought they were good but as time has passed I've realised what a nasty, disciplarian, mind-destroying device they truly were, used to mark out students as less worthy and not complete individuals capable of actual thought. A heavy-handed way of forcefully depoliticising students and making them apathetic and uninterested in society.

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I went to a public school in a civilized country, so no, I was not a sheep.

	06-12-2002 21:46									#25
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Personally, I see no point in school uniforms other than forcing people (or the schools) to pay for something that is completely unnecessary.

	06-12-2002 21:54									#26
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They stop kids getting bullied for coming from poor families and having sh1t clothes (if they do come from poor families they can get help to pay for the uniforms)

	06-12-2002 21:58									#27
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I think people exaggerate the benefits of uniforms, but the "harm" of them is exaggerated far more. They don't stifle individuality and turn people into mindless sheep. Clothing is a pretty minor way of expressing individuality, IMO, and there are plenty of ways in which kids are allowed to do so in school and out. I certainly wasn't stifled as an individual, and am today a very individualistic person.

Having been in both environments, I did prefer the private school. I don't know how much of the environment had to do with the uniform, but I don't mind. In the "real" world, dress codes and uniforms are used in the work place all the time. I see nothing bad about expecting the same thing of students, should a district decide to do so.

	06-12-2002 22:10									#28
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I think Snappy's uniform has scarred him for life...

	06-12-2002 22:14									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I think Snappy's uniform has scarred him for life...

He didn't mention what it looked like:

	06-12-2002 22:22									#30
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Amen brother.