08-12-2002 05:07									#1
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We have a warrior.

	08-12-2002 05:07									#2
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Is he going to be renamed Grog or something else?

	08-12-2002 05:10									#3
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I vote for the name Grog, and for giving Grog a mountaintop experience. (Who knows, there may be a goody hut within that radius.)

	08-12-2002 05:11									#4
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Grog he is, at least for now.

	08-12-2002 05:24									#5
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Grog will go to the mountain soon, but he will wait to see if there is a better way to go. He will wait 30 minutes.

	08-12-2002 05:28									#6
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i say mountain, but many others have different ideas.

often the best way, is to toss a coin

	08-12-2002 05:31									#7
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I reviewed the other thread. It seemed the mountain had the majority of support.

	08-12-2002 05:38									#8
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The Wheel in 20 (it will shorten considerably next turn; aprox 15).

Pop 2 in 8 turns.

Warrior 2 in 10 turns (shortened to 1 by chop).

Chop complete in 1.

All team scores 30. Except Lux and us (both 24).

Am I supposed to switch the labourer back to the about to be cleared tile this turn? Looking...

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	08-12-2002 05:43									#9
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Nope. I wait until it is irrigated.

The plan, as of turn 6.

T6: 5f, warrior complete, build another.
T7: 7f, warrior complete (chopping done), order another, begin irr
T8: 9f, 1s. Switch citizen to fur tile.
T9: 11f, 4s. Irrigation done, move to next fur
T10: 13f, 7s. Begin chop
T11: 15f, warrior complete. Order barracks.
T12: 17f, 3s.
T13: 19f, 6s. Move citizen to unchopped fur, hope auto-allocation sets new citizen to irrigated fur (will check on this).
T14: Size 2. 0f, 11s.
T15: 1f, 26s (chop done), begin irrigation
T16: 2f, 31s.
T17: 4f, 36s, irrigation done, move to floodplain across river (west)
T18: 6f, barracks complete, choose settler. begin irrigation
T19: 8f, 5s, switch 1 citizen to fp.
T20: 11f, 8s, irrigation done, begin road.
T21: 14f, 11s.
T22: 17f, 14s. road done, move to 2nd floodplain
T23: Size 3, 0f, 19s, begin irrigation.
T24: 3f, 24s, move another citizen to 2nd floodplain
T25: 7f, 27s, irrigation done, begin road.
T26: settler complete, select another, size 1, food depends on auto-allocation (fp or furs) assume fur. 9f. Change to fp.
T27: 12f, 1s, road done, move to fur to the east.
T28: 15f, 2s, begin chop.
T29: 18f, 3s. switch citizen to fur.
T30: Size 2, 0f, 6s (or 8 if autoallocate chooses fur, but I think fp). Allocate both cits to fp.
T31: 4f, 7s.
T32: 8f, 8s.
T33: 12f, 19s (chop done), begin road.
T34: 16f, 20s, switch both citizens to furs.
T35: 18f, 25s. road done.
T36: Settler done, size 1, 0f.

	08-12-2002 05:59									#10
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Grog sets out in direction 4.

He sees a hill in direction 7-7, and a mountain 7-8.

Turn done. Shots taken. Turn being mailed, shots mailed after that.

	08-12-2002 05:59									#11
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As a matter of interest, have you been testing the science slider?

	08-12-2002 06:13									#12
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Have been leaving it flat out to not lose any possible turns. As DeepO pointed out, we minimize on the last turn to recoop any excess commerce.

	08-12-2002 06:16									#13
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I just want to make sure we're not overallocated... I am usually a 10% player.j

	08-12-2002 06:20									#14
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Thanks for the email, seems to be an easy way of distributing the new shots.

	08-12-2002 06:28									#15
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Theseus, that would be on Emperor... this is regent. However, unless we find some gold, we will probably need to have one 'commerce' turn anyway, or our upkeep would bankrupt us. But unless we foresee a drop in commerce coming from a size-drop, I suggest we only do this at the last possible moment, so when our treasury is at 0, and we have 1 upkeep to take care for. It should be the most economical way to prioritize research.

DeepO

	08-12-2002 06:31									#16
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Thanks for the screenshots. 4-8-9 is starting to look like a strong possibility for Grog's exploration, depending on what we find. That would give us a good look at what's north of our capital.

Theseus, especiallly with how much gold we'll be taking in once we're working two irrigated fur tiles, we'll definitely do a lot better than 40 turns by maxing out our research. I think Alphabet is the only first-tier tech I ever research at 10%, and that only if I don't have a river.

Nathan

	08-12-2002 06:32									#17
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quote: I just want to make sure we're not overallocated... I am usually a 10% player.j

I used to do that too, not anymore, the less money given too the AI.... even if it meas running behind a littlebit(more).
I did a game once without any trading. What I noticed from this is that the AI is more hampered by this this then you, at least in the long run.

	08-12-2002 06:35									#18
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Scouting: I'm still in favor of going straight on 4 with Grog, to encounter the opposite coast as fast as possible. The next one can go North. The only idea is to get an idea on what kind of map we are playing. Oh, besides, following the grass as much as possible also seems a good scouting strategy for him, so that we can see a lot of settleable (is this English?) land soon. Maybe we run into some cows we can ride

DeepO

	08-12-2002 06:37									#19
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hmm,
About disease:
Am I right in saying that:
2 of 9 tiles in our city 'produce' disease = 22% ??
Can we deduct from that, there is no one located in jungle...??

	08-12-2002 07:27									#20
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Damn, I just don;t know how to play at Regent. Keep correcting me when I say the wrong things.

Nathan, are you advocating not going to the mountain?

DeepO, are you talking about 'Battle Cows' (very obscure reference)?

	08-12-2002 07:30									#21
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Yep, Battle cows

So I'm not the only one to remember... damn good story, that one.

DeepO

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Hehe. We could have Storm cattle.

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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Damn, I just don;t know how to play at Regent. Keep correcting me when I say the wrong things. Nathan, are you advocating not going to the mountain? DeepO, are you talking about 'Battle Cows' (very obscure reference)?

"4" takes us to the first mountain, then "8" to the hill above it, and then "9" to the mountain northeast of the first mountain we found so we can see what the river does to the north. Unless, of course, something we see from the first mountain (like a goody hut) merits further investigation.

Nathan

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489 seems likely for the moment (and great for visibility)...

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Hmm... screenshots... NYE, can you send them to me too (using my gf's email)?

In other news, cool, Grog lives. Since Grog will be a mountain man, will our second warrior head north or east?

-Arrian

	08-12-2002 23:01									#26
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We can predict that the east will mostly be made of coastlines. Perhaps it would be a good idea to move northward along the coastline (but not too close, since we only want to scout the land at this point, not waste any time and movement points scouting into the sea). We should be able to find the other civs more quickly this way, or at least find nice grounds to settle on later.

	08-12-2002 23:40									#27
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The question is, what will Grog see when he reaches the top of the mountain. If he sees a goody hut, he'll obviously want to go after it, in which case we may as well have him keep exploring west and send our second warrior ("Son of Grog"?) to the north. Otherwise, my inclination is to have Grog go to the other mountaintop he just spotted (4-8-9) and north from there, and have "Son of Grog explore a little to the south and then head west.

	09-12-2002 01:19									#28
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Gronk?

Arrian, send me the email address so I can add it to the distribution list.

I would like the second warrior to go east then hook to the south and head west. Passing under the capitol will tell us if there are any nice cattle sites down there for the 2nd city. It seems not many agree with me about the value of having a complete knowledge of all of the surroundings of the capitol before picking the first settler destination.

	09-12-2002 01:34									#29
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The third warrior can look east a little before standing guard over the capital (unless we spot potential hostiles in the meantime). For the second warrior, my inclination is to move two south, then one east if the shore hasn't slanted in by then. Then he can go a couple more turns to the south before coming back up on the west side of where he went down. That, coupled with the third warrior looking around just a little to the east, should give us a picture of at least most of our immediate area.

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NYE, I'm not disagreeing that we need to have a full picture of the surroundings, but just pointing out that most likely we already have a position where eventually a city will need to be built (mound of the river, on the coast), so following the rest of the pattern this will more or less fix every other place.

But I am suggesting to travel in a horizontal band first, and not in a vertical band for 2 reasons: first of all, we should get a better idea on what kind of map we are on, second is that because we are at the edge of the grass, the horizontal band will likely be a continuation of that grassland. Further North will be desert, floodplains, and jungle, further south we will find forest, hills, and eventually tundra. But the grass we (and the occasional cow) love so much should be to our West...

DeepO