10-12-2002 10:11									#61
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Does anyone else but me find it ironic, when Republicans are based like this, that Abe Lincoln himself was Republican?

	10-12-2002 10:41									#62
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JT

What?

Is this song not true to history both current abd past?

	10-12-2002 10:45									#63
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick Does anyone else but me find it ironic, when Republicans are based like this, that Abe Lincoln himself was Republican?

The parties have completely changed since then... in both beliefs and constituency. What makes you think that what was true then is true now? That "Party of Lincoln" phrase is only a catchy anchronism.

	10-12-2002 10:45									#64
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc He'd probably have to kill someone before we'd kick him out.

Follow Condit's example?

	10-12-2002 10:53									#65
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quote: Originally posted by cyclotron7 The parties have completely changed since then... in both beliefs and constituency. What makes you think that what was true then is true now? That "Party of Lincoln" phrase is only a catchy anchronism.

I am aware of that Seven. That's what I find ironic.

	10-12-2002 10:56									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Promethus JT What? Is this song not true to history both current abd past?

Promethus, come on now. Most of what is in those lyrics can be easily applied to most states. It is a distortion of truth for a political purpose. Spare us.

	10-12-2002 11:08									#67
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick Promethus, come on now. Most of what is in those lyrics can be easily applied to most states. It is a distortion of truth for a political purpose. Spare us.

It is far more true in Miss, AL, LA, TN and GA. In those areas white racism permeates every facet of life. It's quite pitiful.

	10-12-2002 11:21									#68
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick I am aware of that Seven. That's what I find ironic.

Ah, my mistake then. I took that in reference to this:

quote: Frankly, I don't see the problem with the comment that Lott made.

	10-12-2002 11:24									#69
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Oh, and jt, I can at understand the rest of your points, but I don't get this:

quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick The person we should be angry at here is the Federalist Democrat Gore, who is looking to gain political advantage as the protector of the poor black race. Quite the novelty huh.

Seeing as how the Democratic party is so heavily supported by blacks, how is it wrong for Gore to pander to his constituency? I mean, that's a crime every politician is guilty of...

	10-12-2002 12:36									#70
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It's not pandering to his constituency. It's blatant demagoguery. There is quite a difference.

I think its a shame that dueling has been outlawed. I think when people make statements like Gore did about Lott there should be an option to settle it honorably.

	10-12-2002 12:41									#71
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Also ironic is that America's greatest demogogue was also a Republican, McCarthy, Joseph R.

	10-12-2002 13:52									#72
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Trent Lott has given what, to many other people, would be the GREATEST birthday present he could personally give to Strom Thurmond: his OWN head on a platter. I love it when stupid politicians say stupid things when the wrong cameras are on and the wrong people are listening in and watching...

(a) next week, it'll all be forgotten

(b) as long as ol' Trent brings home the bacon, the good folks in the great state of Mississippi won't give a fair damn

(c) The Democrats have neither the credibility or any alternative voice that can make a workable issue out of this.

(d) It ain't like ol' Trent wanted to be President anyway.

	10-12-2002 13:56									#73
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat (d) It ain't like ol' Trent wanted to be President anyway.

Every member of congress would give their right and left arms whilst rogering their own grandmothers to be president

	10-12-2002 14:01									#74
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Not true at all. Many members of Congress have no desire to be President, because that would mean moderating their stances.

	10-12-2002 15:03									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I wish we could put issue behind us. Obviously, there are some Southerners who do not know they lost.

Yep, y'all got that pervasive, in-everybody's pants Federal government we all wanted and we just know the Framers intended.

Now if only we could have lost all the dumb-ass crackers with mouths two sizes bigger than their boots.

	10-12-2002 15:38									#76
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quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by Ned I wish we could put issue behind us. Obviously, there are some Southerners who do not know they lost. Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Yep, y'all got that pervasive, in-everybody's pants Federal government we all wanted and we just know the Framers intended.

A Senate majority leader from Mississippi is in trouble for saluting the outgoing President Pro Tem of the Senate, a South Carolinian. A president from Texas just replaced a president from Arkansas by defeating a former vice-president from Tennessee. While the Speaker of the House is from Illinois, that's only because the old speaker, from Georgia, screwed up so badly he had to resign, and then his replacement, from Louisiana, had to fess up to being adulterous. Meanwhile the government is controlled by the party that thinks taxes and homosexuals are just about equally evil, and that would like to return prayer to public schools -- all this in a country where forms of evangelical Protestantism are the fastest-growing religions.

Um, who won again?

I just wish they'd won back in 1865, and had their own little third-world backwater to govern instead of messing with my country.

	10-12-2002 15:43									#77
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Well, look at the bright side. Obviously your candidates were even worse, because y'all went and voted for what we scraped up.

	10-12-2002 16:54									#78
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Well, look at the bright side. Obviously your candidates were even worse, because y'all went and voted for what we scraped up.

Christ, now I really need a drink. Thank God y'all gave us bourbon, too.

	10-12-2002 19:46									#79
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat (b) as long as ol' Trent brings home the bacon, the good folks in the great state of Mississippi won't give a fair damn

It seems to be more of an issue nationally than it is here.

quote: (c) The Democrats have neither the credibility or any alternative voice that can make a workable issue out of this.

They could bring out the "former" KKK member.

	10-12-2002 21:36									#80
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Yep, y'all got that pervasive, in-everybody's pants Federal government we all wanted and we just know the Framers intended. Now if only we could have lost all the dumb-ass crackers with mouths two sizes bigger than their boots.

I'll have you know my boots are two sizes biggern my feet thank you very much.

	10-12-2002 21:40									#81
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quote: Originally posted by orange Follow Condit's example?

Actually, Condit didn't kill anyone. He just acted guilty.

	10-12-2002 21:42									#82
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick Also ironic is that America's greatest demogogue was also a Republican, McCarthy, Joseph R.

Not ironic, logical. (Actually, you've forgotten about Huey Long).

	10-12-2002 22:41									#83
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Byrd may have been a KKK member, and both Wallace and Thurdmond ran on pro-segregation plankc's, but all of the have also stated they were wrong and have changed their views. Lott seem to be the only braniac to actually still commonly get himself into trouble voicing pro-segregation views...

Krugman today in the NYTimes wrote an interesting article about the South; I don't agree wih most of it, but I do wonder at one basic point: Why do the states that gain the most out of Federalism in terms of services and development aid (The South, the West, those states either too poor or with population's too small to matter) always vote agains the idea of Federalism while those states that loose (California, the Northeast, those huge or rich states) by sending more money out as federal taxes than they will ever recoup always vote for it? If some hick from Mississippi doesn't care for income taxes, then why should I send him mine to pay for his subsidies and roads? Hell, if NY state and NJ stopped paying their federal taxes and kept all the money they export to Mississippi or Alabama, or Arkansas or Nebraska, Montana, or S. Dakota then our defecits would be far lower. It must be somehting in the water.....

	10-12-2002 22:44									#84
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Kinda like when Michael Moore had people standing on the side of a highway in Newt Gingrich's district in GA. They held up placards that said "Honk if You Hate the Federal Gov't." Of course, dozens honked gleefully and cheered.

A mile down the road, someone else held up a placard, "Then Get Off this Federally-Funded Highway."

	11-12-2002 06:05									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Kinda like when Michael Moore had people standing on the side of a highway in Newt Gingrich's district in GA. They held up placards that said "Honk if You Hate the Federal Gov't." Of course, dozens honked gleefully and cheered. A mile down the road, someone else held up a placard, "Then Get Off this Federally-Funded Highway."

Thats a good way to get Mr. tax cut Bush to shut it.

I am sick of this country of being ruled by southerners, I sure wish Humphry beat Reagan or Mondale beat Bush #1. (I'm from Minnesota, and we need a president from here.)

Oh yeah, anyone who likes Thurdmond, I think, is ipso facto a racist. (yeah, I'm talking to you DinoDoc. )

	11-12-2002 06:07									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Odin (yeah, I'm talking to you DinoDoc. )

Why? I wasn't even around to vote for the man in the 1940's.

	11-12-2002 06:37									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo I wonder how Lott's going to dig himself out of this.

Like every political leader does--simply having the media ignore it.

Worked for Bush, especially when he asked Brazil's president "Are there blacks in Brazil too?"

	11-12-2002 06:38									#88
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Like every political leader does--simply having the media ignore it.

Mission acomplished.

	11-12-2002 08:28									#89
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Lott apologized today for the comments.

HOWEVER

Drudge is reporting that Lott said the exact same thing and a campaign rally in 1980 after a Thurmond speech.

Tsk tsk, Mr. Majority Leader...

	11-12-2002 08:29									#90
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And, uh, Odin...Humphry never ran against Reagan, nor Mondale against Bush Sr.