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Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Sen. Lott, not content with his current connections to racist hate organizations, has shown what he really thinks about desegregation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...0-2002Dec6.html

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Lott Decried For Part Of Salute to Thurmond
GOP Senate Leader Hails Colleague's Run As Segregationist

By Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 7, 2002; Page A06

Senate Republican leader Trent Lott of Mississippi has provoked criticism by saying the United States would have been better off if then-segregationist candidate Strom Thurmond had won the presidency in 1948.

Speaking Thursday at a 100th birthday party and retirement celebration for Sen. Thurmond (R-S.C.) in the Dirksen Senate Office Building, Lott said, "I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."

Thurmond, then governor of South Carolina, was the presidential nominee of the breakaway Dixiecrat Party in 1948. He carried Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana and his home state. He declared during his campaign against Democrat Harry S. Truman, who supported civil rights legislation, and Republican Thomas Dewey: "All the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, our schools, our churches."

On July 17, 1948, delegates from 13 southern states gathered in Birmingham to nominate Thurmond and adopt a platform that said in part, "We stand for the segregation of the races and the racial integrity of each race."

Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a leader of the civil rights movement in the 1960s, said yesterday he was stunned by Lott's comments, which were broadcast live by C-SPAN. "I could not believe he was saying what he said," Lewis said. In 1948, he said, Thurmond "was one of the best-known segregationists. Is Lott saying the country should have voted to continue segregation, for segregated schools, 'white' and 'colored' restrooms? . . . That is what Strom Thurmond stood for in 1948."

William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, said "Oh, God," when he learned of Lott's comments. "It's ludicrous. He should remember it's the party of Lincoln," referring to Lott's role as Republican leader of the Senate, which the GOP will control when the new Congress convenes next month.

Lott's office played down the significance of the senator's remarks. Spokesman Ron Bonjean issued a two-sentence statement: "Senator Lott's remarks were intended to pay tribute to a remarkable man who led a remarkable life. To read anything more into these comments is wrong."

Bonjean declined to explain what Lott meant when he said the country would not have had "all these problems" if the rest of the nation had followed Mississippi's lead and elected Thurmond in 1948.

Lott's comments came in the middle of Thursday's celebration for Thurmond, Congress's oldest and longest-serving member. Lott followed at the lectern former Senate majority leader Robert J. Dole (R-Kan). Initially Lott made jokes about Dole and then became serious when discussing how Mississippi voted in 1948.

The gathering, which included many Thurmond family members and past and present staffers, applauded Lott when he said "we're proud" of the 1948 vote. But when he said "we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years" if Thurmond had won, there was an audible gasp and general silence.

In 1998 and 1999, Lott was criticized after disclosures that he had been a speaker at meetings of the Council of Conservative Citizens, an organization formed to succeed the segregationist white Citizens' Councils of the 1960s. In a 1992 speech in Greenwood, Miss., Lott told CCC members: "The people in this room stand for the right principles and the right philosophy. Let's take it in the right direction, and our children will be the beneficiaries."

Asked to comment on Lott's remarks at the Thurmond celebration, Gordon Baum, CEO of the Council of Conservative Citizens, said "God bless Trent Lott."


Great leadership we have in this country, really...

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Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Just have to say again, out of disbelief:

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"we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years"


Ya know the problems. Darkies in our white schools.

What a tool.

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That's okay, 140 years ago, they owned slaves. At least things are improving.

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* DinoDoc wishes Lott would just keep his mouth shut and go back to representing Mississippi's legistlative interests

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I'd be interested to find out what he meant by the comment about the 'problems'.

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Actually, I want to hear what Trent Lott really thinks. That way the Mississippi voters can get his 4ss out of there.

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Those "blasts from the past" moments sure provide for humiliation later.

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That way the Mississippi voters can get his 4ss out of there.
He'd probably have to kill someone before we'd kick him out.

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He'd probably have to kill someone before we'd kick him out.


But only if he kills a white person.

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He'd probably have to kill someone before we'd kick him out.


That's the sad part

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I'd be interested to find out what he meant by the comment about the 'problems'.


We'll never know what he really meant, since the answer that emerges will be said to control damage.

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But only if he kills a white person.


Right, because nobody down south cares if a white kills a black.

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We'll never know what he really meant, since the answer that emerges will be said to control damage.


Its a shame that he feels he can't speak his mind.

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Right, because nobody down south cares if a white kills a black.


Right, because that was such a serious comment in the first place.

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Its a shame that he feels he can't speak his mind.


He can. Everyone can. If he knows his real feelings would be so unpopular as to get him the boot, then that's his problem.

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Right, because that was such a serious comment in the first place.


Maybe you should put a smilie by it then.

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Boris: The stuff about the CCC is fairly old news and elicits nothing more than a yawn from the major state papers and voters. I don't know why you would think that this would be much of a deal.

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He can. Everyone can. If he knows his real feelings would be so unpopular as to get him the boot, then that's his problem.


I think its a shame that racial issues cannot be discussed openly, and without emotion.

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Maybe you should put a smilie by it then.


They tend to make sarcasm more banal.

DD: This isn't about the CCC stuff, this is a fresh example of his racism. He just made this comment.

It does, however, highlight the fact that his comments to the CCC weren't necessarily as harmless as he positioned them. Showing his true colors again, if you will.

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I think its a shame that racial issues cannot be discussed openly, and without emotion.


Thurmond's stance in 1948, the one Lott is implicitly supporting here, was hardly unemotional. In fact, it was emotional hatred.

And try to tell black people who lived under segregation and through the civil rights struggle that they should be unemotional about it.

If Lott wants to get up there and preach segregation again, by all means, I hope he does. I would prefer it to him being a moral coward and being dishonest about his feelings. Whatever political price he pays after that is up to the GOP and the people of MS then.

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It's great to know there are still people with their brains turned on in the States.
To me, history is history, and while Lott and Thrumond (wow, he is STILL in congress? can the man even drive?) may not say it anymore, I believe that if they could, they would re-segregate the US.

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I wonder how Lott's going to dig himself out of this.

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Trent Lott has given what, to many other people, would be the GREATEST birthday present he could personally give to Strom Thurmond: his OWN head on a platter. I love it when stupid politicians say stupid things when the wrong cameras are on and the wrong people are listening in and watching...

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try to tell black people who lived under segregation and through the civil rights struggle that they should be unemotional about it.


So you think its better to have emotions involved? It might be tough not to get emotional, but some people seem to manage it nonetheless.

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If Lott wants to get up there and preach segregation again, by all means, I hope he does. I would prefer it to him being a moral coward and being dishonest about his feelings. Whatever political price he pays after that is up to the GOP and the people of MS then.


I agree. He should be open and honest about what he thinks.

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Uhh..yeah. Especially after the Republican trotted out every minority and ethnic group under the sun at their last presidential convention.

Who knows if thurmond is a segregationist now. Lots of people supported a lot of stupid things back then, and reconsider and change their views over time

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So you think its better to have emotions involved? It might be tough not to get emotional, but some people seem to manage it nonetheless.


Yes. By and large, it is through the emotional appeals to people's senses of right and wrong and justice that such changes are brought about. Don't tell me you think the "I Have a Dream" speech would have been remembered if MLK had been unemotional about it.

People act on what moves them.

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Uhh..yeah. Especially after the Republican trotted out every minority and ethnic group under the sun at their last presidential convention.


That was just embarrassing. It was funny to see a stage full of minorities, but when they panned to the audience, it was white faces as far as the eye could see...

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Who knows if thurmond is a segregationist now. Lots of people supported a lot of stupid things back then, and reconsider and change their views over time


Thurmond has publicly renounced and apologized for his views, which is what makes Lott's comments all the more astounding.

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Is this REALLY that important?

I mean, come on, this was Thurmond's 100th BIRTHDAY! Of course you are going to say something like Lott did. It's just something saying 'we loved you, Strom'. What are you gonna say at the man's birthday party, 'we're glad you lost, big guy'?

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It is important, its just incredably stupid: just read about the crow reaction: everyone cheered when he said "hey, we voted for him" but everyone at the party concious enough to hear (that might mean no Strum) was shocked by what he said: again, the very peope at the party were shocked at what he said.

And what i am surprised is that this topic took so much time to come up: I mean, the comment is days old.

 
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