03-01-2003 05:02									#61
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Maybe we should offer a preresearch agreement to trade Horseback Riding for Iron Working.

Also, agree that we will not trade Iron Working to anyone else if they will agree not to trade Horseback Riding to anyone else.

Then make a similiar agreement to Roleplay for Writing (the tech they are researching now) for our Horseback Riding. Same agreement to not trade to anyone.

This way we build the reputation of not being greedy, "trade us your tech and we won't whore it to the other civs" hopefully encouraging them to trade techs with us more freely.


We should foster Lux's distrust of ND.

	03-01-2003 06:33									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 YES!!! nonagression pact signed with Trip of Lux invicta for 30 turns, until 1725 BC.

	03-01-2003 09:40									#63
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quote: YES!!! nonagression pact signed with Trip of Lux invicta for 30 turns, until 1725 BC.

Nice Save

	03-01-2003 11:20									#64
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If anybody wants to receive the game save send an email from the email address you want to receive it at to GhengisFarb @ yahoo.com (take out the spaces).

	03-01-2003 16:08									#65
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Just catching up on the last 5 days of posts.

There seems to be a lot of communication between the civs.

Is ND central on our continent ?...They have to be ours (and others) first target in that case.

Before I left for my holidays, there was a feeling that we were going to get ganged up on...

quote: I've heard some rumors that New Demo has been trying to get Roleplay to agree to a tech embargo against us and that Roleplay is encouraging Lux and ND to form an alliance against us.

Now it seems the target may be ND.
Who can we trust ???

Togas seems to be waiting for us to nominate who we are going after before choosing sides.
And the rumor is that ND has already upset Lux.

What is our war timetable ?

--> Thanks for the sav GhengisFarb.

Regs

	03-01-2003 19:36									#66
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A very good time to start a war would be when we discover chivalry, and get riders.

	03-01-2003 21:41									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 A very good time to start a war would be when we discover chivalry, and get riders.

I agree, that is why I would like to concentrate on REXing now as with the tech trade pact we've built with Lux and Roleplay we should move through the tech chart fairly quickly and would like to have several cities to take advantage of the Golden Age.

	03-01-2003 23:44									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 emergency chat with Trip: -he likes the tech trade -he warned me about New Demogyptica

Maybe Trip was lying

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Someone should play the turn for me because I am now going to work and will be unavailable for 9 hours.

Roleplay told me they have warriors south of both the one by Demogyptia and the one on the east coast so just move those warriors south and we should make contact shortly.

	04-01-2003 04:34									#70
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Played the turn.
Units re-named:
1st GhengisFarbial Guard Division (this is the one, um, near our cities)
Basher (duh, named by GF at the begining)
Basher Jr (the one that joined our team)

Couldn't re-name the worker, he was working (go figure).

Sent Basher directly S, INTO ND TERRITORY. Screw'em. LI did it to us....

Basher Jr sent SE to continue the move south and to get closer to the Eastern coast.

1st GF GD sent directly south, to the Panzer Hills just W of our Fort. He is now one turn away from re-entering defensive postures.

	04-01-2003 08:32									#71
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quote: Sent Basher directly S, INTO ND TERRITORY. Screw'em. LI did it to us....

Wow !!!!!!!

	05-01-2003 03:26									#72
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Update from ND:

quote: Hello GhengisFarb, Thanks a lot for your message. We hope that you will leave our cultural border with the next turn so our friendship can be continued! But I have to say something to the border agreement with lux... we "almost" had finished an agreement with them but they did not stop to hunt our settlers turns ago. They ignored all our warnings and thats why we never have finished any agreements with them but we still hope that we can have peace with them in the future... Anyway it is a fact that my people love the chinese people much more than the ottomans since these days. good luck :-)

	15-01-2003 00:41									#73
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2550 BC situation.

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	15-01-2003 01:44									#74
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ooh boy... crowded!

Map making should be a top priority.

Looks like we might have to fight an early war here...

	15-01-2003 02:47									#75
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Ouch -

We may need even a tighter build

Lux is a lot closer that I thought....Lets get those horses linked ASAP.

Why arent these guys expanding south ?
RP has way too much room.

	15-01-2003 02:50									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Why arent these guys expanding south ? RP has way too much room.

I asked Trip the same thing and they said they were trying to hem ND in.

Not a good reason IMO.

	15-01-2003 05:43									#77
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They should of asked....
We could of done the same thing for them....maybe.

Should we stake out our territory now ?

Early during the game, we know that Lux & ND tried to come to an agreement about dividing the land.

If lux likes the idea of these negotiations.. maybe we should let him know what territory we claim as ours.

Divide up the land now, so there is no stepping on toes later.
If RP & Lux are in bed, we need to stay on their good side. These negotiations could only foster goodwill between us. And get a 3 vs 1 against ND.

If we planted our next city in our bottom right hand corner..surely our borders would meet ?
We need to explore in ND direction as soon as a warrior becomes available...(Stating the obvious)

	15-01-2003 16:05									#78
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Why arent these guys expanding south ? RP has way too much room. I asked Trip the same thing and they said they were trying to hem ND in. Not a good reason IMO.

Both are deliberately cutting off our room.

	15-01-2003 17:28									#79
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I have opened the save and had a closer look at the game.

Lux must of planted their city right on the northern tip of ND.

My guess is
1. Yes they may be trying to hem in ND, but
2. I think the real reason is that they needed that horse resource.

Being the Ottomans, they are most likely wanting to build up a horsie army, which they can upgrade to their UU....(Just like us)
Or, they might be just trying to deny ND the horses for the same reason.

Whatever, ND have got to be pretty pissed !!

This is good news for us

I am concerned about how close Lux is to us.
If they can plant a city on top of ND, then they must be closest civ to us.

Does this make Lux our prefered target ??
I say probably yes.
We must see where our diplomacy leads us.

Also note, that ND have an easy to get horse resource south of their capital. If lux was trying to deny them the resource, they have failed.

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And another thought
(And blatant attempt at increasing my post count - I want a personal avatar)

I usually give up exploring around about now. We still dont know our local territory...and there isnt much use in exploring further south than ND.
Basher Jnr should continue until he reaches RP.

If there are any additional civs on our continent, we would of heard about it now.
It is unlikely that there are any more goodie huts.

I think Basher should perhaps swing around ND and return home on the east side of ND (Assuming he will be allowed to pass through Lux.

Basher Jnr could continue to circle the continent or return home also.

	15-01-2003 19:38									#81
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Basher Jr could be an ideal unit for a Golden Age Contract with RP! He would already be in place. Before we decide to do a GA contract with anyone, I think we need to discuss it further in the thread it was first brought up at (which I'll go do now...).

	16-01-2003 04:17									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel I usually give up exploring around about now. We still dont know our local territory...and there isnt much use in exploring further south than ND.

Bullcrap there is! If you haven't noticed NO ONE IS EAGER TO TRADE ANY MAP OTHER THAN MINIMAPS.

The only way to get a map of the continent is to do it ourselves and to do as much of it now so that we will have an idea of the territory before it is settle by the other teams and in their cultural area.

This will prove most invaluable to our military campaigns later.

	16-01-2003 05:56									#83
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I think that there is no immediate benefit.
Our first war will be local to us...(Hopefully)

Map info will definately be needed for the next war.
But by then, map making will be discovered, and hopefully teams will be more inclined to trade maps.

At the moment, we can only do it by jpg and we are all still playing a cat & mouse game.

** Note, that this is how I play against the AI **
Humans can be different, and you are closer to them than I. If you dont think map trading will occur, then you have my full agreement on continuing our exploration.

	16-01-2003 08:24									#84
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Maps are incredibly more valuable now. You trade the AI your map because the AI already knows where your units and resources are.

Human players don't (unless they cheat) I think it will be a very rare occasion when we can get any kind of map from another team, especially since we are considered warmongers.

If all of the Luxury clumps are in the south (we have one Wine clump and have just discovered a Silk clump) then I want to know where they are and in whose hands they end up.

I have a bad feeling Roleplay may end up controlling virtually all the luxuries on our continent except for our Wine.

If we do map our entire continent think of the gold we can get for selling it to teams NOT on our continent.

	16-01-2003 09:30									#85
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You're the man GF !!!!

You have me convinced

	17-01-2003 05:31									#86
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Foreign Affairs order:

Either:

1. Do not move the warriors.
2. Move the warriors north.

	17-01-2003 06:42									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 Foreign Affairs order: Either: 1. Do not move the warriors. 2. Move the warriors north.

What the? Why? The only reason they have claimed THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE CONTINENT is becasue they want to keep it all for themselves.

	17-01-2003 08:01									#88
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just do it for like one or two turns, until we get things worked out with Roleplay. If you don't, they may lose trust of us.

If we really don't value trust that much, then go ahead and move the warriors south. I just think that since we can't settle there anyway, it is not really our problem. If (when ) we determine Roleplay's territory to be too big, then we can send them a message saying we do not agree with their territory claim, and walk all over it.

That said, I really do think their claimed territory should be much smaller, if it exists at all.

	17-01-2003 08:45									#89
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The warriors are moving south. There never was any intention of running scared from Roleplay. Their demand was completely ludicrous and on par with: " We are the color blue, give us all of your cities."

I have no intention of invading their cultural borders, but they cannot claim half the continent and 90% of the luxuries for themselves without even attempting to build cities there. One warrior cannot claim half the continent.

If they are cramped then they can give us their map as proof and we will back off. No map, then we must continue to explore.

	17-01-2003 09:07									#90
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" We are the color blue, give us all of your cities."



Can I try that tactic with the misfits PBEM. My Koreans need all the help they can get