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What should be done?
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| Aggie is to resign |
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13.33% |
| Aggie is to be punished in another way |
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16.67% |
| His apology is suffiecent-no further punishment required |
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70.00% |
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30 voters |
100% |
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E_T
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:24
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This is copied from the other thread, just so that it's available for quick reading in this one.
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Originally posted by Aggie
Sorry I took so long to respond, but I was gone for a day. Now some setting the record straight. I had read the bill and did realize that the Mpp's were not approved. However, considering the declining numbers and interest in the demogame I made a decision to proceed with the necessary MPP, since it was obvious they were needed and would be approved. The only other alternative was to call the chat after less than turn played. This was unacceptable. So I decided to enter the MPP's that were mentioned. At the time I assumed everyone knew the nations mentioned on the MPP bill and these were not them. I apologize to all in the chat who I did not mention it too, ET and Togas particularly. I was wrong in this and should have mentioned it to all. Basically I did not feel the game should be stopped for something whose resolution was common sense and believed all in the chat were of the same mind. So I took the action I did and feel that this is much adou about nothing. For a matter of fact I feel there was no reason to stop the game as early as we did and would have preferred that we completed the 5 turns. However, I do realize many might oppose that decision and aknowledge that it is "technically" illegal what I did. However, though this action did no harm to our nation, I do offer to resign if this action is so horrible(I all fairness the stupidity of assuming we all knew the mpp weren't authorized is my great crime). If the people want me to resign I will, if not we will have a chat on the 18th.
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I beleave that Aggie should not resign, but that we give him some form of punishment, because he did violate the CoL and the trust of the Senate and his fellow ministers.
His own admission in chat tonight was that he didn't know that both Togas & I hadn't fully read the bill. Also, he had expressed his dismay at the loss of interest in the game and was hopeful that this would help stimulate participation in the game, so didn't let Togas or myself know that we were entering Illegal territory.
His heart is in the right place, but his methods are curcumspect.
Should he Resign for this, no. Should this become a case for the Courts, no. Should he be punished for this, and how, is up to the Senate to decide as it was partly your trust that he had violated. But he had done it in your interest, too.
But remember, too. What is done here, will have a long term effect on this Demo Game. If no action is brought about, then what will happen with the next incident, sometime in the future, with someone else? If punishment is required, how do we go about doing it and make it fair, equitable and such that it has an impression on any perpatrator. And without making it to where the person leaves, either.
These are the questions that you should ask yourselves while debating this issue and expressing your opinions.
E_T
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:24
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Originally posted by Togas
As one of the drafters of the New Con I feel horrible that that we included this into the document. Frankly, I was (and still am) thinking of just offering an amendement to take a few of the "checks" out of the document to keep this sort of mistake from happening in the future.
The decision was made with the support of those in attendance. We are all at fault. It was a wise decision and one that I'm sure he'd make again if he was put to the test.
All controversy aside, I'm sure this poll will reflect that the people accept the apology of the President and wish for the game to move on.
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Don't feel so bad about it concerning the NewCon. ANY set of rules which have been created and not yet tested on actual, fallible, human beings is going to have growing pains and need adjustment to account for things that were unanticipated. This is entirely natural.
That said, growing pains we are certainly having with thew NewCon and some ammendments seem necessary.
I think the following ammendments should at least be proposed:
1. Allow members of the cabinet to propose bills. The lines in the NewCon giving the FAM exclusive ability to propose Alliances and MPPs are currently problematic, because he can't propose his own senate bill to seek approval (also necessary) for that same proposal. This was the problem I ran into as FAM when proposing the legal MPPs signed during the chat (never mind the illegal ones...).
2. Make the check on the FAM for signing MPPs and alliances during times of war considerably more lax than during times of peace. When in times of peace, allowing the FAM to sign MPPs and alliances willy-nilly would probably drag the country into war against the wishes of the Senate. During wartime, we're ALREADY at war and the FAM needs considerably more power to sign such agreements on short notice w/o having to take the 3 days to get Senate bills passed.
3. Some ammendment to handle the issue of tied elections.
That should, I would think, resolve this.
We'll tackle additional growing pains as we experience them. This is entirely natural and we shouldn't be dumping on the people who wrote the constitution (Togas, notyoueither, Apocalypse, and adaMada) for it.
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Meshelic
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Bringer of Peace, Destroyer of Worlds
Sep 2002
time: 21:24
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Originally posted by Arnelos
Aggie isn't going anywhere... was I the only person who paid any attention to Aggie's statement on the issue regarding his intentions behind this? |
No you weren't but the poll suggested otherwise, that if Aggie resigned that he'd leave the game. Although I understand that he will not leave the game, I still stand by my previous statement that if Aggie leaves, then I leave, for he has been one of my foremost supporters and sources of encouragement throughout this game, not to mention the fact that he is regarded as a hero and savior of the Apolytonian race by many of our citizens....
Last edited by Meshelic on 16-12-2002 at 16:43
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jdjdjd
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of España
May 2002
time: 00:24
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I edited, yes I admit it .
Forget it. His term is up.
Last edited by jdjdjd on 17-12-2002 at 06:51
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16-12-2002 03:38
I am embarrassed that we feel the need to ask this. Aggie has served Apolytonia nobly as SMC and now as President. Yes, the situation could have been handled better. We have recognized that and Aggie has apoligized (I don't even really believe such a formal apology should be necessary.). 
), but there's nothing stopping them.
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