19-12-2002 02:52									#1
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Apparently in the midwest most girls claim to be bisexual, and have had at least one homosexual experience -- mostly because of peer pressure.

So I thought I'd make a poll about it to see just how widespread this is.

If you were under peer pressure, would you have a homosexual experience and claim to be bisexual?

Edit: Clarification for Jon: Your friends really really really really want you to be bisexual!

	19-12-2002 02:53									#2
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I think you should be more eplicit about the pressure

Jon Miller

	19-12-2002 02:53									#3
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For the record, I voted "No" because I don't give a rats ass about peer pressure...

	19-12-2002 02:57									#4
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Depends doesn't it. I suppose there are a lot of homosexuals despite the pressure throughout life to 'be straight'. I suppose it would be similar, but I don't quite know how

	19-12-2002 02:57									#5
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Yes Asher. I've heard it from time and time again about girls experimenting in college. It does work for girls because of our culture. Go to a strip club for proof. Men want women to be together in various sexual situations.

But the reverse doesn't hold true obviously. Our culture is against gay male sex acts.

	19-12-2002 03:00									#6
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Lots of girls experiment in college, and lots of guys experiment in college too.

Most girls are more public about it because, as you said, it's more acceptable. The guy stuff happens too, it's just that it's not spoken of.

I just think it's ridiculous that so many girls would have homosexual experiences just because their friends think it's cool to do it. Hell, I'm bisexual and I find that deeply disturbing.

	19-12-2002 03:00									#7
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I can't imagine a situation where I would claim to be bi, but I can for having a homosexual expereince

Jon Miller

	19-12-2002 03:03									#8
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Two male friends of mine hooked up with two female bisexual skanks at a party about a year ago. The skanks insisted that my friends make out with one another or else they wouldn't get any action (the skanks were "free-spirited" or "hippie" skanks, and believed that all people were bisexual but that most of them repressed their urges, so they were trying to get my friends to "unloose the shackles that society had placed on their sexualities"), so my friends french-kissed. I can only speculate as to how far they would have gone to get laid had the skanks insisted that a single french-kiss was not sufficient making-out to gay-ify them.

So yes, in my experience somebody can be made bisexual through peer pressure, especially if they are desperate for skanktified action.

	19-12-2002 03:06									#9
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quote: the skanks were "free-spirited" or "hippie" skanks

Oh god, I'm crying right now.

Very definitely Wutang, loinburger.

	19-12-2002 03:06									#10
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In what way does having two girls force you to do something with a guy to get with the girls make you bisexual??

A single homosexual experience doesn't make you bisexual. In fact, that's not what this poll is about.

This poll is about whether you would have sex with someone of the same sex because of peer pressure (not hormonal pressure by holding sex with a gorgeous woman over your head) and then claiming to be bisexual afterwards.

	19-12-2002 03:09									#11
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Ah, well in that case, Banana.

	19-12-2002 03:16									#12
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I always thought it would be really cool to be bisexual. I mean, who wouldn't want clothes sense, being slim and neat, along with the rep of being a swingin' dude... not playing favorites regarding who I sleep with, and all that...

The sex with men part is where I draw the line, though.

	19-12-2002 03:21									#13
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I think I see the problem.

lack of communication.

Jon is saying that women do say they are bisexual because men like that. And that is true. Most men do get turned on when women say they are bisexual. This is FACT.

but does that make them an actual bisexual? What exactly is a bisexual? Do they have to keep having sex with both for the rest of their life? Or do 1 or 2 experiences with a woman count?

The problem between the differing opinions is a matter of definition and miscommunication.

	19-12-2002 03:26									#14
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No, unless they were attractive (to me) peers (of both genders). In which case, I would already be bi-sexual.

	19-12-2002 03:33									#15
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I vote no.

Although no pear pressure to be a bi or gay in my school happened, there was a lot of "are you a racist" pear pressure. The type where if you didn't have sex with this ugly black girl you'll be labeled as a racist and get beatup constantly. And in my case, stabbed.

	19-12-2002 03:41									#16
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Couldn't you work out a deal to sleep with one of the more attractive black girls? (not to make light of your experience, that's sounds like an awful situation)

	19-12-2002 03:42									#17
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you must remember asher that I don't think that there are any truly Bisexual people

Jon /miller

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	19-12-2002 03:44									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller you must remember asher that I don't think that there are any truly Bisexual people

Is this based on your enormous sexual experience or your handy religious beliefs?

	19-12-2002 03:47									#19
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observation

I use to think differently

Jon Miller

	19-12-2002 03:49									#20
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Observation?
That's a good one.

	19-12-2002 03:51									#21
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How can you observe someone who is having sex with people of both genders, who claim they like sex with both genders, and come to the conclusion they aren't bi?

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quote: Originally posted by Aeson Couldn't you work out a deal to sleep with one of the more attractive black girls? (not to make light of your experience, that's sounds like an awful situation)

No, it was her or pain... if your were lucky. Some kids I knew that were confronted with this had both.


No hard feelings, yeah I a bitter towards blacks after that for a year or so, but I'm cool now.

	19-12-2002 03:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Observation? That's a good one.

it is the main thing I use in science and to draw conclusions about this world we live in

and everyone I know who is bi, has turned out to be a hedonist or someone who was really straight or homosexual and who were confused

Jon Miller

	19-12-2002 03:56									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Thrawn05 No, it was her or pain... if your were lucky. Some kids I knew that were confronted with this had both. No hard feelings, yeah I a bitter towards blacks after that for a year or so, but I'm cool now.

I would have taken the pain

(and no I see nothing wrong with black girls, I just do not beleive in having se x with anyone in order to not have pain)

Jon Miller

	19-12-2002 03:57									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson How can you observe someone who is having sex with people of both genders, who claim they like sex with both genders, and come to the conclusion they aren't bi?

I am thinking of fundamentally

I think that sex with a guy probably feels good

doesn't make me Bi

Jon Miller

	19-12-2002 03:59									#26
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A lot of people use bisexuality as a fence to sit on when they're confused, a lot of homosexuals use bisexuality as a way to come out because then they can still "relate" to their old male friends, and a lot of straight people apparently use bisexuality as a way of pretending to be cool or hip or open minded.

Of course, because so many people abuse it doesn't mean that there is no such thing as true bisexuality.

Honestly Jon, if you really got away with doing "observations" like that and drawing conclusions the way you did, I'm surprised you made it so far in a field of science.

	19-12-2002 04:04									#27
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I form hypothesis based upon available evidence

that is what science is

so I took all available evidence (my expereinces)

and formed a hypothesis

when new evidence comes in, I change my hypothesis

my first hypothesis was that there was no such thing as a true Bisexual

than I met someone who seemed to be, so I revised my hypothesis (There are true Bisexuals)

than that person turned out to really be homosexual, no longer having any suggestion otherwise I returned to my original hypothesis, that there is no such thing as a true Bisexual

Jon Miller

	19-12-2002 04:04									#28
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No. Sexual behavior does not equate to sexual identity. Lots of heterosexual men have gay sex in prison out of pressure/no other alternative. That doesn't make them gay.

Someone experimenting with the opposite sex because they think it's cool or are curious doesn't make that person bisexual. Being bisexual makes that person bisexual.

	19-12-2002 04:06									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller than that person turned out to really be homosexual, no longer having any suggestion otherwise I returned to my original hypothesis, that there is no such thing as a true Bisexual Jon Miller

So by this logic nothing exists unless you can see it first hand?

Doesn't this conflict with your religious beliefs?

	19-12-2002 04:06									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov No. Sexual behavior does not equate to sexual identity. Lots of heterosexual men have gay sex in prison out of pressure/no other alternative. That doesn't make them gay. Someone experimenting with the opposite sex because they think it's cool or are curious doesn't make that person bisexual. Being bisexual makes that person bisexual.

Thank you, Boris.