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Bosh is offline Bosh
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Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
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I just passed the foreign service exam! Apparently the only real talent I have is to be able to fill in little bubbles very very well and its come through for me yes again!

*dances around room very happily*

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An Anarchist in the State Department?

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Fight the system from within

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Bush must be getting desperate

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An Anarchist in the State Department?

Well you commies have gotten lazy, SOMEONE'S got to subvert it

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Apr 1999
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Awesome work Boshko! Great to hear things are going so well!

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...and I didn't pass it!

It realy is annoying that the thin rejection letter does not give one a breakdown of how one did in each part...

Well, good work Boshko: I have heard that the second part of the progress is a mix of interview and one of these work seminars were you do group porjects and team building excersises.

Also watch out for the CIA background check: if they find any hintof any use of any drugs other than alcohol or tobacco, they give you a negative and a three year ban on security checks at least (I had a friend in the porcess of getting into the CIA as a cartographer, but he made the 'mistake' of admitting that he ahd tried pot, since they try to intimidate you into fessing up)

By the way, which area did you pick, pol, econ, admin, relations, what?

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GePap: hopefully not the demographic questionarie, that thing was horrific!

Did Consular. Process of elimination:
-Political: too hard to get into
-Economic: would hate it
-Public Relations: I'm not willing to sell out THAT much
-Administrative: Boshko as an administrator would be a very frightening thing to witness.

Consular seems good, hopefully the kind of job I'd be good at and I'm really looking forward to being able to go overseas again.

I'm sooooo happy I decided to stick around at wes for another say if I didn't get this it'd be too late by the time I got back from break...

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Actually, I am sure it is that section:

The other ones are far too simply, and my pride refuses to admit that I could have done badly on those, givem the scope and difficulty of the questions: I am really missing much experience of working in groups and teams, so I think my deficiency of experience in those fields did it. Interestingly , I heard from another individual that they don't grade your written essay unless you pass the scantron exam.

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Boshko, Sounds awesome! Listen.. I might need a student visa next year... you could help me out, what do you say buddy?

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Congrats man! So where is it that you plan on bringing the revolution to (or do you not have any choice?)?

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Congrats, Boshko!

Let us all know how it goes. I'm actually debating between going to grad school or going into the foreign service after I get back from Japan, so I'll certainly be interested in hearing the truth about the job.

BTW, how hard is it to get into the political track? That's what I'm thinking about applying for, so I'd appreciate any info. I might need to start studying right now...

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Drake Tungsten, Hey mate! If you ever decide to go on political career... let me know. You could help me out.. I'll bring the beer and the strippers for show of gratitude.

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You could help me out.. I'll bring the beer and the strippers for show of gratitude.


You sound like Roger Clinton...

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You can't blame me for not trying.. Well if my student visa gets turned down, I need someone to help me with waiver, mostly putting their names under 'this guy is ok, he's not a terrorist, let him study'. Now I have diplomatic, perhaps a politician signing.. man if it doesn't work even then.. well it would suck.

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There is no studying needed for this exam:

The difficualty in getting into the political tract is in the fact that so many people who get into the service pick it, so you have a backlog of people awaiting for that position. Once you choose a tract, they wait to place you (once you are done with the progress) into it once an opening occurs; they don't move people around chosen tracts, so if you chose Political, they won't place you in a consular post, even if it is open.

The witten exam has 4 parts:

A general knowledge section where they ask you US government, US history, world history, organizational knowledge (how to run meetings, motivate individuals), knowledge of basic computer skills (what is e-mail, and I am not kidding about this type of question), US culture, and basic economics (high shcool level at best) questions.

A Basic english exam where they give you written passages and you have to correct them (multiple choice)

A personal questionare (multiple choice) that they use to ask you about life experiences, work experiences, interest in other cultures (like, how many foreign films have you seen in the last year) and asks you to judge yourself (if we ask your friends how good a problem solver you were, they would answer a) very good, b) good, c) fair... so forth and so on).

A written Essay, about 40 minutes worth of writing, ususally asking your opinion on certain policies.

Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
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So, if you apply for the Political track and get put on the waitlist, you're free to do anything until you are placed, correct? If that's the case, would I be able to apply for the foreign service and then pick up a Master's while I waited for a job? That would be the best of both worlds...

Also, does more education boost your chances? I'd like to get a PhD in international relations, but I really don't want to work in academia. Would getting my PhD and then applying for the foreign service be a good idea? Would the extra education get me a better placement?

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Feb 2000
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If you don't want to work in academia Drake, you really want to think hard whether you could stick a PhD for that length of time...

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I'd like to get a PhD in international relations, but I really don't want to work in academia.
Why on earth would you even consider getting a PhD in Poli Sci if you didn't want to work in acedemia.

Boshko: What are the requirements for taking the exam?

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Why on earth would you even consider getting a PhD in Poli Sci if you didn't want to work in acedemia.


I'd like to do policy analysis for the government or an independent think tank. I think you need a PhD for that kind of work, at a think tank at least. You can get an analysis job with the government with a BA, but I think it limits your advancement opportunities.

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Why on earth would you even consider getting a PhD in Poli Sci if you didn't want to work in acedemia.

Boshko: What are the requirements for taking the exam?


Having a PhD is always nice, and it greatly increases your payscale in the Federal governermt, you can join thinktanks, as Drake suggests, and you can also think of going into the UN, or even private consulting business.

As for the test requirements:

Over 21 years of age, a US citizen. and breathing is nce too. You sign up with the sate department. they give it twice a year, in April and September.

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I am really missing much experience of working in groups and teams, so I think my deficiency of experience in those fields did it.

So you're saying its possible that my student activism experience helped get me a job

Good luck if you ever try the beast again...

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Congrats man! So where is it that you plan on bringing the revolution to (or do you not have any choice?)?

No idea. I also still have to pass the oral assesment thingie, but apparently its not that hard for people trying to get on the Consular track...

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BTW, how hard is it to get into the political track? That's what I'm thinking about applying for, so I'd appreciate any info.

Something like half of applicants try to get into Political, while it doesn't have any more job openings than any other branch so its brutally hard to get into.

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organizational knowledge (how to run meetings, motivate individuals)

Some of these were very Dilbertian, to the extent that even if you didn't really know what they were saying you could generally pick the right answer fairly easily.

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A written Essay, about 40 minutes worth of writing, ususally asking your opinion on certain policies.

This one was fun I went off on tariffs

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Also, does more education boost your chances?

Won't help you on the test, might help you after that. Also I think you get paid a bit more.

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Boshko: What are the requirements for taking the exam?

IIRC its just being 21 and a US citizen.

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Boshko, can you make it a bit more plain for a foreigner?

What exactly did you get in? The job?

In Greece to work for the ministry of foreign affairs you have to have a university degree, master's or PhD is a plus, know at least 3 languages fluently and take an excrusiatingly difficult exam.

What exaclty is this job?

I cant believe all they want from you to work in the states department is to be over 21 and a US citizen (or oh well another myth about the US goes crushing down )

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Over 21 years of age, a US citizen. and breathing is nce too. You sign up with the sate department. they give it twice a year, in April and September.
No degree requirement, or does that just go without saying?

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Dinodoc:

Not as a prerequisite for taking the exam. They do ask your level of education during the exam, and I think you would need very good work and life experiences to overcome the lack of any degree other than a high school diploma.

Boshko:

To my shame, this is the second time I have failed it....
Took it in April, then again in September. I won't take it again until i have built up some more experience. My pride as a 99th precentile individual (in most other scantron tests) can't take another rejection. And yes, your activism shows you are the sort of motivated go getter that the Foreign service is looking for, sepcially if you had a lot of leadership roles. I guess they don't want the somewhat apathetic intellectual sorts as much

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I got rejected by a **** interview and failing an exam. In fact it send me on an extremely severe downer which has been witnessed. So you are not alone. It took me 7 attempts to pass my driving test. Yet I am supposed to be intelligent. How can this be so?

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intelligent people do stupid things sometimes

also depression seems to be the realm of the intelligent and the sensitive (they seem to fall more than others in depression)

there is also the so called emotional intelligence which has nothing to do with intelligence per se (and a point where i dont particularly excel either)

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What exactly did you get in? The job?

Nope, not quite yet. I'm over the biggest hurdle though. Its kind of like getting a good test score but not quite being in college yet...

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In Greece to work for the ministry of foreign affairs you have to have a university degree, master's or PhD is a plus, know at least 3 languages fluently and take an excrusiatingly difficult exam.

We just have the exam, but just about everyone who takes it has an exam. The three language thingie wouldn't work since all of us Americans suck at languages

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No degree requirement, or does that just go without saying?

No, I don't think so.

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So, when do you plan on commiting various traffic violations and generallly being an arse to law enforcement?

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Good job Boshko.

 
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