09-11-2003 21:48									#961
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Made some Fairline styled Infantrys.. Germans!


Coming soon... SS and Camo + Russians

EDIT: DELETED, for some reasons... wait for fairlines offical version.

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	09-11-2003 21:53									#962
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Beutiful, FiGu!

	09-11-2003 22:50									#963
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If you'll wait a little you'll get the official versions, rather than recolours and cut'n'pastes.

	10-11-2003 03:19									#964
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That is a good hope for the future!

Excellent!

	10-11-2003 03:21									#965
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To celebrate the fact that this WW2 unit thread is the best ever:

A reworking of Fairline's amazing Bf109, made into a ToT Fw190...

And yes, this means a ToT Dictator 3 is in the works!

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	11-11-2003 02:06									#966
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Nice FW, Curt!

Were can I find winterized nemo-units?

	11-11-2003 03:07									#967
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Right here, old chap!

What do you need?

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	11-11-2003 05:54									#968
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Spanks, curt!

I can winterize the rest of what I need myself, but I'm lazy so we'll see

Attached: We've started a project over at CDG. Pablostuka, Jim Panse and myself are making a scenario together: The African Campain. More info will be given later, but here's a microscopical preview: some desertised units and a brand new Opel Blitz.

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	11-11-2003 06:56									#969
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Did the Germans use trucks in the desert as troops transports? I think they only used sdfkz's

	11-11-2003 14:44									#970
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I think you are correct.

	11-11-2003 16:46									#971
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Nah. Everybody used trucks. 1/2 tracks were mainly used as assault vehicles and heavy equipment haulers. Too expensive, too much fuel/maintainence for use as the standard transport.

	11-11-2003 16:47									#972
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Did the Germans use trucks in the desert as troops transports? I think they only used sdfkz's

I'm pretty sure that they would have used trucks - I doubt they had anywhere near enough sdkz's, and even German 'Armoured' formations generally had as many 'motorised' [truck-borne] troops as they had halftrack mounted troops.

Trucks did quite well in the North African desert, which shouldn't be suprising as rocky terrain is much more common then sandy terrain. While control of the main road was important for logistical reasons [as it was the only sealed road in the theatre and linked all the ports], trucks did OK during tactical movements, and often outpaced tracked vehicles - the British 7th Armoured Division's Support Group's charge to Beda Fomm being the most famous example of this. If you want another example, the British SAS and LRDG units traveled almost exclusively in modified versions of standard-issue trucks, and when issued with M-3 'Honey' light tanks, they generally left these back at base due to the tanks slowing them down!

From memory, one of the key reasons that the Australians besiged in Tobruk caused Rommel so much grief was that the main coast road lay within artillery range. As the German Army was dependant on trucks for both its logistics and tactical movement, the ability of the allies to dominate this road meant that Rommel's wheeled transport had to take a rather long route around Tobruk. If he'd had heaps of halftracks this would have been less of a problem.

	11-11-2003 17:04									#973
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Yeah, the Afrika Korps used a lot of trucks to transport equipment and troops. The Opel Blitz was their workhorse for the task. But let me correct you, Eivind. The Opel Blitz has 4 wheels, not 6

	11-11-2003 22:42									#974
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You are also correct, Pablo. I've been using the wrong model *embarrased* I was very tired yesterday

Just to close the discussion, I'll post a picture from a German desert Opel Blitz. I'll give it a shot later on.



And every Danny-experts has to come out of the closet and start producing quality Afrika Korps units! ASAP!

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	12-11-2003 00:26									#975
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And here's the result. One Desert Opel Blitz with troops and one with supplies.

EDIT: added more units with different desert colours

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	12-11-2003 00:27									#976
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quote: Originally posted by Kobra Spanks, curt! I can winterize the rest of what I need myself, but I'm lazy so we'll see Attached: We've started a project over at CDG. Pablostuka, Jim Panse and myself are making a scenario together: The African Campain. More info will be given later, but here's a microscopical preview: some desertised units and a brand new Opel Blitz.

Kobra:

Great news that you and the gang are doing an Afrikan Campaign. I have been wanting someone to do one for quite some time now.

Since I am a big fan of desert warfare/Afrika korps, I went ahead and privately re-did J. Petroski's scenario "Afrika korps", with updated graphics, events, gameplay, new sounds, etc.

I even emailed him asking him if I could release this updated scenario. But I have never heard back from him. So I have been enjoying playing this scenario as the Afrika Korps and have been having a blast - I finally have a good, playable Afrika Korps scenario.

I also did a Battle of Britain scenario (playable only as the British) and the German AI whupped my butt. . .

Best of luck.

Cheers!

	12-11-2003 00:35									#977
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quote: Originally posted by Kobra And here's the result. One Desert Opel Blitz with troops and one with supplies.

Very nice looking trucks.

One suggestion though: be careful with using bright colours. I didn't use any current desert units for my re-make of Petroski's Afrika Korps, because the "yellows" were too bright. All units will be fighting against a desert background, so I think the units might look better if they have a dull sand/tan colour.

Just my thoughts.

Best of luck.

Cheers!

	12-11-2003 00:41									#978
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@Leonidas:

Are these scenarios available for private viewing?

Mentioning them and not revealing them is too cruel!

	12-11-2003 00:42									#979
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Here are the units I used for my up-date of Petroski's Afrika Korps scenario. I even designed an Afrikan Korps shield:



Cheers!

	12-11-2003 01:43									#980
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I love that shield!

	12-11-2003 03:37									#981
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Leonidas, while I'm pleased that you're using 'my' Australian infantryman unit, there are a couple of big problems with it in regards to using it in a North Africa scenario

1) Australian troops weren't so suicidal as to wear green uniforms in the desert! They wore standard Commonwealth pattern khaki battledress (the green uniform was introduced in late 1942 when the Army discovered, to it's aparent suprise, that dressing soldiers in Khaki when they were fighting in the jungle was a really dumb idea).

2) The soldier is armed with an Owen Gun. Owen guns weren't issued untill 1943, well after the last Australians had left North Africa.

	12-11-2003 04:01									#982
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LOL!

Same reason the British empire discontinued the redcoat!

The things we learn in war, eh?

	12-11-2003 06:06									#983
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Leonidas: If you are looking for a Valentine, I made one that is somewhere in this thread

Just thought you may need it since you are doing a North Africa scenario.

	12-11-2003 08:23									#984
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling The things we learn in war, eh?

Yeah, there is a reason that 'military intelligence' is often considered to be a contridiction in terms

	12-11-2003 08:25									#985
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quote: Originally posted by Kobra I love that shield!

Hehe

It was something I did quickly.

I think it needs something though - maybe more depth in the colours or something.

Cheers!

	12-11-2003 08:30									#986
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling @Leonidas: Are these scenarios available for private viewing? Mentioning them and not revealing them is too cruel!

Yeah, I know

I was hoping that someone would do an Afrika Korps scenario. I have NO experience doing scenarios for Civ2. But I rolled up my sleeves and dug into Petroski's scenario.

None of his sound files match the units - what a job that was. . .

I'm still tweaking the scenarios, Curt. I would rather wait a bit. I am sure they pale in comparison to anything you guys have done.

Cheers!

	12-11-2003 08:34									#987
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quote: Originally posted by Case Leonidas, while I'm pleased that you're using 'my' Australian infantryman unit, there are a couple of big problems with it in regards to using it in a North Africa scenario 1) Australian troops weren't so suicidal as to wear green uniforms in the desert! They wore standard Commonwealth pattern khaki battledress (the green uniform was introduced in late 1942 when the Army discovered, to it's aparent suprise, that dressing soldiers in Khaki when they were fighting in the jungle was a really dumb idea). 2) The soldier is armed with an Owen Gun. Owen guns weren't issued untill 1943, well after the last Australians had left North Africa.

Thanks for the info Case. I wasn't too picky with the uniforms at this stage. I was trying to get the proper up-dated troops and units in place so I could tweak the scenario.

Now that I am aware of this, I'll see what I can do to change it.

BTW, are there any North African Australian unit graphics lying around?

Cheers!

	12-11-2003 08:42									#988
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quote: Originally posted by The ANZAC Leonidas: If you are looking for a Valentine, I made one that is somewhere in this thread Just thought you may need it since you are doing a North Africa scenario.

Thanks, any help would be appreciated

In particular though, I am looking for a full set of desert camo German units. The ones that have been done already are too light (yellowish) in the game.

I think the units should be more dull, sand/tan.

The brownish British and Italian tank units in the units file above actually work quite nicely.

	12-11-2003 11:04									#989
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quote: Originally posted by Leonidas BTW, are there any North African Australian unit graphics lying around?

Sort of - with a few very minor differences, Australian soldiers wore exactly the same uniforms as British soldiers and used the same weapons. Slouch hats were never worn near the front line owing the the risk posed by artillery - British pattern tin helmets were worn instead.

	12-11-2003 16:36									#990
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quote: Originally posted by Leonidas Kobra: Great news that you and the gang are doing an Afrikan Campaign. I have been wanting someone to do one for quite some time now. [...] Best of luck. Cheers!

Thank you . Good luck with yours too