22-12-2002 04:49									#1
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Just wondering, outside all roleplay whether you all think the idea of having an extreme party on the religous right in the game would be a good idea to add to the political environment.
Also who would be willing to be part of it, and who out of those people would be the strongest leader, thxs for your time

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	22-12-2002 05:03									#2
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It's a perfectly workable element of the roleplayed political environment.

I would strongly oppose it, of course, but I don't mind (outside of role-play) if those of you interested in forming one choose to do so. It could be rather fun opposing you lunatics

	22-12-2002 05:08									#3
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I think it would be good fun inside the roleplay element. We need a leader though, someone with experience, personally I was thinking Aggie, as he seems interested in the idea of the religious right in roleplay (at least from his posts) and he has had experience in the game. One of the best things with having an extreme right religious coalition is that it will be at odds with every other political parties, may be entertaining.

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	22-12-2002 05:13									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Nolan I think it would be good fun inside the roleplay element. We need a leader though, someone with experience, personally I was thinking Aggie, as he seems interested in the idea of the religious right in roleplay (at least from his posts) and he has had experience in the game.

I believe Aggie already intended to do this. You probably won't have much trouble convincing him :P

quote: One of the best things with having an extreme right religious coalition is that it will be at odds with every other political parties, may be entertaining.

Against all other political parties is quite likely with the two active ones at the moment: DIA and Labor.

However, I'm sure the Hawks wouldn't mind at all.

This could get interesting...

	22-12-2002 05:18									#5
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I don't think a religious party would currently fit. To whom should they oppose? There is no other religion in the race and there is even no threat from outside the borders.
I have not seen an article in the CoL about it, but I think freedom of religion is generally exepted, so I suggest first beginning with a small new sect. If you wait 2 turns, Scientific Method has been researched and we are about to build the Theory of Evolution. The new sect can be based on that theory. There is some philosophic in that after all. .
It would fit very well, because Apolytonia has now, compared with the real worlds history, entered the 20th century. Extreme religious parties are typically something of the 20th century.

	22-12-2002 05:19									#6
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I got the impression that the hawks were gone as a political entity. Also do you feel the mutal labour and dia dislike of a extreme religious party will lead to you two parties actually working together??

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	22-12-2002 05:21									#7
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I see it as a small split off the labour movement. The labour movement comes in industrial time to help the worker have a better life. The religious movement is the give the worker a purpose and make him feel like he's not working in factories for nothing but for the afterlife, as a result the advent of industrialisation eventually leads up to this religious extreme

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	22-12-2002 05:36									#8
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There is something in that: a resistence against the industrial society, like the romanticism in the 19th century, but then not dreaming away in fantasyworlds but about to fight against the ruling parties. It needs something that the Labour hasn't and with a stong will and belief. (This sounds dangerous and I'd never join such, but extreme is extreme)

	22-12-2002 05:39									#9
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It does sound dangerous, but it will be interesting to roleplay, and will also make our members difficult, if not somehow confusing to deal with. Also I have no doubt our membership will stay small, but for an extreme party it's not the size, but how vocal the members are, and thats what I plan to be.

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	22-12-2002 05:44									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Nolan It does sound dangerous, but it will be interesting to roleplay, and will also make our members difficult, if not somehow confusing to deal with. Also I have no doubt our membership will stay small, but for an extreme party it's not the size, but how vocal the members are, and thats what I plan to be. Regards

This is precisely how the Hawk Party survived as a significant political force as long as it did.

I will be one of many who oppose you tooth and nail, of course, but I can see how this would add some color to the roleplay of our civilization.

I know I'm "asking for it" here, but bring it on.

	22-12-2002 05:47									#11
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Well now I'll just sit back here and not reply for a while unless someone asks, all i'ld like here is people to say there opinion of the religious right party idea, and the party itself, anyone who wants to join say it now, and hopefully Aggie will post here that he wants to lead it, it will be interesting

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	22-12-2002 06:00									#12
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Use propaganda, formulate your opinion in a way people never forget and try to build up a "we" feeling: WE are going to ...; WE shall overthrow ...; WE shall gain the victory.

Try it, it has worked many times in our history.

	22-12-2002 06:02									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Nolan I got the impression that the hawks were gone as a political entity.

Eh sort of. They're still around, and lurk here and there, but as a political entity they haven't really been pushing for any policies (not that they had to anyways, we were planning war after war without them around for awhile). I'd love to see their party reunite politically. That doesn't mean I support them, persay, but mostly that they would make formidable opponents, which is always fun.

quote: Also do you feel the mutal labour and dia dislike of a extreme religious party will lead to you two parties actually working together?? Regards

[Roleplay]
"Haha, you are indeed a funny man! A Labor-DIA alliance? Ahhh.....hehe. The Labor Party will never merge with those clowns! And who says that the ALP opposes a religious right party? The ALP allows religious freedom to all members! We have little reason to concern ourselves with a "movement" as that.
[End Roleplay]

	22-12-2002 06:11									#14
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The Far Extreme Apolytonian Right. FEAR

What about that for a name?

I will join.

	22-12-2002 06:25									#15
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nz_upy, come along and join the party, we'll wait to see if Aggie will lead us before we'll really start trying to figure a name, it would have to have something about religion in it though.
Still your a New Zealander to, at this rate the extreme religious party will be a New Zealand one as well.

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	22-12-2002 07:47									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Nolan Still your a New Zealander to, at this rate the extreme religious party will be a New Zealand one as well.

FYI: Aggie's a Texan (able to be a member of the religious right with the best of 'em )

So a small group of fanatical kiwi's being lead by a fanatical Texan... this could be an extreme right party with character

	22-12-2002 19:55									#18
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hi ,

well , well , the people are going nuts

we need those police stations so that we can arrest those crazy lunatics

religious and right dont work together , ......

and those kiwi's and other types of fruit shall be eradicated in no time

have a nice day

	22-12-2002 21:16									#19
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Should we be banana-worshippers, or should we be "heretics" and worship, say, the Pineapple?

I would love to join any party called FEAR :P

	22-12-2002 22:31									#20
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I don't know about a political party per say, but I might start the Apolyton Rededication Movement Servants(ARMS). While this is not a political party, and here are some of the ideals. Remember they come not from me, but from the GREAT BANANA, himself.
1) All people are truly subjects of the GREAT BANANA, whether they know it or not.
2) Apolyton is the light of the world and must spread that light to the downtrodden masses.
3) All people have rights and are equal in the eyes of the GREAT BANANA(though in this dream I saw a giant sign over a barn that said Apolytons are more equal than others, a saw a signature Duddha under this, must be from an earlier prophet).
4) Apolyton must do all it can to spread the knowledge of truth justice to the 4 corners of the world.
5) All who do not worship the GREAT BANANA, have no honor and thus it is ok to double cross them.
All who like this message can testify now.

	22-12-2002 22:42									#21
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But, o wise messenger of the almighty, what will be of people such as our loyal conquerors who are fulfilling the second commendment as we speak, but in doing so, they are violating the third commendment by taking the right of Germans to live?
Is it okay to kill them because they oppose our just actions?
Furthermore, o kind prophet of the one true deity, what rights does the third commendment refer to? Do all people have the right to have jobs, receive social welfare and be treated equally? If so, I know several people from the ALP who would be very interested in re-endorsing the banana religion.

	22-12-2002 23:38									#22
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Aggie, you still wear the President sceal. I can see the Court case #8 coming ....

	22-12-2002 23:56									#23
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Shiber, we are killing them to save them, perhaps the end of #3 explains this. Indeed it does mean that workers are entitled to such things. This is not a party of war necessarily but a party of love, we truly love all people even the german people, thus it was important that we save their souls by killing them and thus introducing them to the GREAT BANANA. Also by this example, others will know it pays to join our great nations, aka the workers paradise.
Aggie

	23-12-2002 00:43									#24
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Well, mass murder really isn't my bag so I'm afraid that I'll have to decline to your offer to join your religion.
With that in mind, I think I should add another layer of security to my estate.

	23-12-2002 00:53									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Well, mass murder really isn't my bag so I'm afraid that I'll have to decline to your offer to join your religion. With that in mind, I think I should add another layer of security to my estate.

You misinterprit my words Shiber, We only kill those who will fight and resist us. If they would but willingly accept the GREAT BANANA we would spare them, actually I was told that Hamburg was really mass suicide, the evil Godless germans had so scared the population that they killed themselves. Rest assured the GREAT BANANA will not let otto off easy for this horror. If you need proof of this think about this fact, Arnleos is a DIA member and ET is an honorable just man. Would they endorse mass murder, nay nay nay.
Aggie

	23-12-2002 02:16									#26
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[RP]
I've heard word that Germany is only a Democracy on the outside. In reality, it's a discreet dictatorship. Otto can conscript whoever he wants and mobilize the army against anyone he wants without the people's consent, and his secret police takes care of the opposition.
The people of Hamburg weren't really fighting us. They were killed wrongfully. If they weren't killed then they were driven out of their homes for one reason or another. In any case, they were not fighting us.
In any case, I'm really not into religions. I'd appreciate if you stopped trying to convince me to join your religion. You know what I'm talking about... the flyers... the phone calls... the people in white robes who constantly ring my doorbell and run and hide behind a bush and make low voices and pretend that it's the GREAT BANANA speaking.
My family is scared. Please stop. I'll call you if I change my mind.
[/RP]

	23-12-2002 02:32									#28
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I'm starting to like this roleplay business.

	23-12-2002 02:39									#29
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I never did much roleplay before, but there's something about playing a single minded radical trying to take over the world, but doing it through "love of everybody", if only I could get some converts, then the fun could really begin.
Aggie

	23-12-2002 02:46									#30
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Well, you know what they say: one man's fun is another man's torment.
But really, roleplay is fun, as long as it doesn't involve the Spanish Inquisition.