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red_jon

King

Uni of Wales Swansea
Oct 2000
time: 05:24

27-12-2002 02:56

Do clones have souls?

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... This is the question which I have asked religious people and they don't seem to have a definite answer. To be honest, I'm not sure myself.

What do you think?

Datajack Franit

King

Bologna
Aug 2002
time: 06:24

27-12-2002 03:05

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Of course they do! They're living creatures, and every living creature got a soul

King

MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:24

27-12-2002 03:06

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Well, no. Just as all humans. human clones, if born, will almost certainly have the same characteristics as regular humans ( shorter telomers could be a problem, but this problem is on it's way to become solved with some cancer protein IIRC)

Prince

Helsinki
Dec 2001
time: 07:24

27-12-2002 03:08

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Define 'soul'.

red_jon

King

Uni of Wales Swansea
Oct 2000
time: 05:24

27-12-2002 03:12

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'Soul' has whatever definition you want to give it.

Albert Speer

Emperor

Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:24

27-12-2002 03:22

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no, red_jon... do not clone yourself...

Datajack Franit

King

Bologna
Aug 2002
time: 06:24

27-12-2002 03:30

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May I have one? Even a brainless one would be pretty useful

red_jon

King

Uni of Wales Swansea
Oct 2000
time: 05:24

27-12-2002 03:30

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quote:
Originally posted by Albert Speer
no, red_jon... do not clone yourself...

But I could make an army!

Provost Harrison

Emperor

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Feb 2000
time: 05:24

27-12-2002 03:37

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Well as this 'soul' concept appears to be some theistic manifestation of the nature of conscious which is an artifact of a developed neurological system, it is safe to assume that an exact clone has such a neurological system, and thus, a 'soul'. But 'soul' is a rather difficult term to reason with. It is a rather theistic one, and I don't deal in such concepts.

SlowwHand

King

of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:24

27-12-2002 03:47

#10

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No "Rent-A-Soul" businesses.
Sorry, one soul to a customer.

Buck Birdseed

Emperor

Khoon Ki Pyasi Dayan (1988)
Nov 2000
time: 05:24

27-12-2002 03:48

#11

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Only if they're clones of Otis Redding. Oh, wait, you said "souls".

Provost Harrison

Emperor

The farce is strong with this one.
Feb 2000
time: 05:24

27-12-2002 03:52

#12

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Well it wasn't going to be "soles" was it?

Tuberski

Emperor

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Feb 2002
time: 23:24

27-12-2002 04:26

#13

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If you believe in God, then you know that God knows everything that can and will happen, so cloning would be taken into account when souls are needed.

Or something like that...

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SlowwHand

King

of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:24

27-12-2002 04:42

#14

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That takes the position that God is a babysitter, and ignores that Man has a mind capable of making determined choices.

Tuberski

Emperor

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Feb 2002
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27-12-2002 04:49

#15

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No, it takes the position that God knows what man and nature are capable of.

If I know that new brake pads are going to help my car stop, I will have new brakes pads when they are needed.

He may have other contingency plans for things that aren't even known right now.

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Zylka

Prince

sure
May 2000
time: 05:24

27-12-2002 05:20

#16

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So IN a sence =

YOU are GOD of your masses of BRAKEPADS!!!

THIS IS NOT A LIE - DO NOT FOLLOW THE LIES OF MATH AND JIFFY LUBE

JimmyCracksCorn

Settler

Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:24

27-12-2002 05:26

#17

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Sure they have souls.

All souls are are a collection neurons and whatnot that allow us to think and form personalities.

Tuberski

Emperor

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Feb 2002
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27-12-2002 05:53

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quote:
Originally posted by Zylka
So IN a sence =

YOU are GOD of your masses of BRAKEPADS!!!

THIS IS NOT A LIE - DO NOT FOLLOW THE LIES OF MATH AND JIFFY LUBE

You are right, I AM THE GOD OF BRAKEPADS!!!!!!!!!

ACK!

Provost Harrison

Emperor

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Feb 2000
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27-12-2002 05:55

#19

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We all have to have a purpose in life Tubs Stick that in your signature and smoke it

Tuberski

Emperor

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Feb 2002
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27-12-2002 06:04

#20

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quote:
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
We all have to have a purpose in life Tubs Stick that in your signature and smoke it

I think both of these will go in my sig!!!!

A lot of great ideas here today!

ACK!

Shi Huangdi

Emperor

Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
time: 00:24

27-12-2002 06:19

#21

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I don't see why any new person wouldn't have a soul...........

Dis

Emperor

Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:24

27-12-2002 07:42

#22

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I think a better question is do souls have clones?

Seneca

King

Bristol
Jun 2000
time: 05:24

27-12-2002 08:03

#23

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No, clones don't have souls, and neither does anyone else.

Dis

Emperor

Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:24

27-12-2002 08:22

#24

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basically a clone is the same as a delayed identical twin. Even less so because not all 100% of the DNA is transferred. As of now they cannot make exact clones.

Chris 62

Emperor

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Jan 2001
time: 00:24

27-12-2002 09:56

#25

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Well, I'm not god, and neither is anyone else, so the question cannot be answered truthfully.

Sava

King

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Mar 2001
time: 23:24

27-12-2002 10:16

#26

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A clone is just like any other human being, it's just grown as a copy of one. It will grow up with its own unique experiences. It's just like an identical twin. Of course it has a soul. I'm sick of these jesus freaks saying crap like, "God only gives souls to natural birth children... yadda yadda"

Inverse Icarus

Emperor

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May 2001
time: 00:24

27-12-2002 11:41

#27

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you dont have a soul, so your clone wouldnt.

Wittlich

Emperor

A Wyandot lost in "The City" SF,CA
Dec 2000
time: 21:24

27-12-2002 11:53

#28

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I say "yes" - be it a "naturally" conceived human or a human that has been cloned. The following phase says it all:

I know, therefore I am.

Wittlich

Emperor

A Wyandot lost in "The City" SF,CA
Dec 2000
time: 21:24

27-12-2002 11:55

#29

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Oh my God! (pardon the pun) Sava and I are in agreeance!

CapitanGarlic

Prince

no longer.
Jul 2001
time: 22:24

27-12-2002 12:15

#30

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A person's soul, as I see it, is their being, their conciousness. A person's being, their awareness of everything they see and know, is not determined by their genes, or their body, or if someone else had them first. Their soul in this sense is determined by their experiences and their environment. Since it is not possible for two people, even clones, to have exactly the same experiences, each one is a completely different individual. Take for instance identical twins. Nature's clones. Certainly they can turn out to be quite different, right?

In this sense, yes, clones do have souls.

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