27-12-2002 06:03									#31
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No, we have a system of rehabilitation, and little crime either, unlike yourselves

GT: We can produce 3 units of each per day at the moment, alongside other contracts. We would prefer enriched uranium, and are willing to accept less if it is. I do not presume you would need more than 5 diplomatic vehicles, nor more than 10 EMP devices, seeing as you are, I believe, at peace. I can have all those done by the weeks end. If you require more, please say, and how much uranium would you be prepared to give in exchange?

Thank you for that slice of common sense, we will not break of talks because of their existance of weapons, however we must insist that all transactions of offensive weapons be publicised, so as to stop any nation gaining a large army.

	27-12-2002 06:06									#32
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus The problem arises, of course, as to what export commodity we might provide in exchange - we would be willing, for example, to enrich your uranium for you, if you like.

Ah yes, the problem of payments... Unfortunately Centralis doesn't seem to produce many items wanted in Jedinica. We also have a large uranium industry you see. Could you pay in cash perhaps? If not, I noticed you have a large book publishing industry. Does that also mean you produce a lot of paper and other wood derives? That could come handy here as Jedinica Vrijstaat has a barren inhospitable landscape void of trees. Another option would be that you passed a few of the Akirian weapons over to us so that we could reverse-engineer it and use it in our own designs.

	27-12-2002 06:10									#33
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quote: GT: We can produce 3 units of each per day at the moment, alongside other contracts. We would prefer enriched uranium, and are willing to accept less if it is. I do not presume you would need more than 5 diplomatic vehicles, nor more than 10 EMP devices, seeing as you are, I believe, at peace. I can have all those done by the weeks end. If you require more, please say, and how much uranium would you be prepared to give in exchange?

That would be more than sufficient; we would be willing to provide 5 tons of enriched uranium overall (payment on delivery) in exchange for this contract. That should be enough to keep your nuclear power plants going for quite a while. Just be careful with the stuff while you're transporting it across your country; that much of it will have very nasty effects on the environment if it escapes.

quote: Were dominated by a Woodchip Industry. Which can be used from anyting to making food taste better to making explosives more deadly We also publish books (including the international bestseller How to Control your Peoples Minds - A Look into Mind Control and Communism and Capitalism - Exploiting Both Systems at Once.) and make electronics. Trade with me now!

The electronics would be most useful for us - our nuclear technicians have been strongly lobbying for more advanced control systems in our enrishment plants and reactors. The woodchips would also be useful to supply our publishers with paper without harming our forests.

	27-12-2002 06:53									#34
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Upon reflection, the Republic of Centralis would also like to suggest that the Commonweathl of Akiria agree to exchange some of their expertise and equipment in the area of Information and Technology in return for uranium and potentially a new market for their IT products.

	27-12-2002 07:07									#35
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The Commonwealth of Akiria concurs, and shall ship a trial batch of 1 server plus 100 of its newly invented Zetar computers, with our own Drinux operating system, completely free of charge to The Republic of Centralis, as a gesture of good will. If you wish to purchase more, the price is 1 tonne of enriched uranium per 100 Zetars or 10 servers. Shipped in batches of 100 and 10 respectively.

	27-12-2002 07:13									#36
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The Centralis Minstiry of International Commerce thanks the Commonwealth of Akiria for it's generorsity and will pass the equipment on to the Ministry of Technology. If the equipment performs to our satisfaction, you can expect many more contracts from us.

	27-12-2002 07:44									#37
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I'm upgrading Karakas' military capability and would like to talk about Jedinica Vrijstaat weapons.

	27-12-2002 08:04									#38
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Do you have any interest in depleted uranium and/or nuclear weapons? We can provide the urnaium, if you like.

	27-12-2002 12:04									#39
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The capitalist Sultanate of Townsville is always interested in expanding its markets. Our woodchips are second to none, but our forests are rapidly being depleted. If a nation wishes to allow us access to their forests, perhaps we could trade some of our beef or soda?

	27-12-2002 12:04									#40
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I would be indeed. Depleted uranium weapons, especially for tank shells, would be useful indeed to our current national defense tactics.

In addition to hard cash, I can offer breaks in our lucrative trout exporting industry. In such an important project, I would even be willing to discuss exploration contracts for our Pendelhaven natural gas field. It's small but could be profitable.

Our WMD Inc. is developing a new fighter jet, a working prototype of which should be online before the new year.

(Am I allowed to say those last parts about the gas field and the plane?)

	27-12-2002 12:15									#41
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quote: (Am I allowed to say those last parts about the gas field and the plane?)

OOC: As this is purely RP and has no effect on the game at all, I see nor eason why not. /OOC

quote: I would be indeed. Depleted uranium weapons, especially for tank shells, would be useful indeed to our current national defense tactics.

I'm glad we can do business. How much would you like? We have large stockpiles of the stuff left over our reactor operations, and would be glad to find a use for them.

quote: In addition to hard cash, I can offer breaks in our lucrative trout exporting industry. In such an important project, I would even be willing to discuss exploration contracts for our Pendelhaven natural gas field. It's small but could be profitable.

That would be most desirable; additional fuel sources are always welcome, as are economic boosts of any kind.

quote: Our WMD Inc. is developing a new fighter jet, a working prototype of which should be online before the new year.

My military scientists have expressed great inerest in this project, and would like to offer their assistance and funding to it in exchange for rights to the finished product and/or a discount in purchasing it from the corporation in question.

	27-12-2002 14:20									#42
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OOC: I missed this post /OOC

quote: Ah yes, the problem of payments... Unfortunately Centralis doesn't seem to produce many items wanted in Jedinica. We also have a large uranium industry you see. Could you pay in cash perhaps? If not, I noticed you have a large book publishing industry. Does that also mean you produce a lot of paper and other wood derives? That could come handy here as Jedinica Vrijstaat has a barren inhospitable landscape void of trees. Another option would be that you passed a few of the Akirian weapons over to us so that we could reverse-engineer it and use it in our own designs.

Though we areq uite prepared to pay in cash, we prefer to avoid it if possible, as it generally has negative consequences for the economy if we must make large payments. As for the publishing industry; while we do not produce a large excess of wood, as most of what we have is produced on plantations grown for the purpose and geared to filling our capacity, but we do produce a large amount of surplus paper, and can also offer publishing services to your country if you wish.

	27-12-2002 19:58									#43
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quote: but we do produce a large amount of surplus paper, and can also offer publishing services to your country if you wish.

Ah that's great then. I would like to remark though I (or rather, the corporations) don't tolerate the publishing of all books in my state. More specifically, rebellious literature is not allowed.

GeneralTacticus, Mr. President, could we strike a 3-way deal? I see, due to my temporary absence, I have not been able to achieve a full weapons contract with Karakas and some contracts have gone to Centralis. However I think I can still be of use. Because though Centralis can supply you with the uranium needed for your ammunition, the country doesn not possess a large weapons exporting industry. I however do. So I'd like to propose that I use Centralian uranium in Jedinican ammo to be supplied to Karakas. Does that sound ok?

	28-12-2002 04:36									#44
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The Kingdom of Wine just happened to open up it's borders to trade with other nations.

Anyone interested in buying fine Car which runs with Wine instead of Oil ?

Saluti

	28-12-2002 06:10									#45
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quote: Ah that's great then. I would like to remark though I (or rather, the corporations) don't tolerate the publishing of all books in my state. More specifically, rebellious literature is not allowed.

That's not our concern. Tell us what books you want printed, and we'll be happy to oblige.

quote: GeneralTacticus, Mr. President, could we strike a 3-way deal? I see, due to my temporary absence, I have not been able to achieve a full weapons contract with Karakas and some contracts have gone to Centralis. However I think I can still be of use. Because though Centralis can supply you with the uranium needed for your ammunition, the country doesn not possess a large weapons exporting industry. I however do. So I'd like to propose that I use Centralian uranium in Jedinican ammo to be supplied to Karakas. Does that sound ok?

Sounds ok for us.

	28-12-2002 20:46									#46
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Would the Kingdom of eternal Cold be willing to supply in cheese to our retail industry in exchange for uranium?

there's been an adjustment in the Eternal Cold economy, resulting in a boom in "beef-based" agriculture (mmm... polar bear) and a slight shift away from cheese. perhaps a combination of these two excellent products for uranium?

	29-12-2002 04:00									#47
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That sounds like a good deal. How much uranium would you like, and do you want it raw or enriched?

	29-12-2002 21:54									#48
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enough for a small nuclear reactor and a small quantity for scientific research

	30-12-2002 06:05									#49
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So, shall we say... five tons of enriched uranium? How much would you offer in return?

	31-12-2002 07:42									#50
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I have some proposals for national delegates. The Free Nations of Centralis and Akiria have started a free trade agreement, to remove all tariffs between the two countries. Akiria is prepared to sign the same kind of deal with other nations. Who else will help efficiency, and promote cheaper prices for your people? Join us in free trade, and we will all prosper.

Members of Free Trade Agreement:
The Republic of Centralis
The Commonwealth of Akiria
The People's Republic of Sovietskii Soyuz (it's finally getting easier to spell )
The Kingdom of Eternal Cold
The Commonwealth of Alien Races
The Democratic States of Admaria
The Kingdom of Wine

Also, The Sovietskii Soyuz and Akiria have agreed to combine forces scientifically, in the name of a cure for cancer. Most diseases in the world have been identified. We have already discovered the entire genetic code for say, cancer, however we cannot cure such diseases! Why is this? Well, we are developing a new prototype medicine that can seek out and attack targetted foreign agents and actually regenerate damaged tissues and cells. Akiria has promised to supply all IT equipment needed for this venture, and will provide up to 25 billion Akiria Roses (about 12.5 billion Gold Coins IIRC, an awful lot of money ) worth of equipment and help for this venture, as well as much scientific support. This is a very costly venture, but one who's rewards are immeasureable. Who will join our countries in this most noble goal? Together, we can prosper, not only in money, but in life.

Participents of the Cure for Cancer Venture:
The People's Republic of Sovietskii Soyuz
The Commonwealth of Akiria
The Republic of Centralis
The Disputed Territories of The Mad Capitan
The Commonwealth of Alien Races
The Democratic States of Admaria
The Kingdom of Wine
The Federation of Redfern

Akiria also proposes an alliance. Any country that agrees never to start an unprovoked war, and that puts a priority on creating peace, and stopping violence, shall receive the full support of the Akirian military if they are the victim of an act of aggression. This offer is open to all members of Apolyton, whatever their other beliefs. Together we can ward of any attack the CFC, or any other nation, can launch.

Members of the Pacifist Alliance:
The Commonwealth of Akiria
The People's Republic of Sovietskii Soyuz
The Democratic States of Admaria

I hope as many nations as possible will join all 3 proposals, as the benefits to all will be huge.

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	31-12-2002 08:11									#51
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The Republic of Centralis wishes to assist the 'Cure for Cancer' venture in any way it can, and will also join the alliance. Our diplomats have suggested that it be called the 'Greater Apolytonian Defense Organization', or 'GADO' for short. They have proposed the following framework for the alliance:

1) All members should be required to contribute some military resources to joint command.

2) A council should be established representing all member nations; voting power would be based on the proportion of the alliance's forces contributed by each nation.

3) No nation may hold more then 25% of the votes in the council; any forces contributed beyond that are deemed irrelevant to the allocation of votes.

4) If any member nation comes under attack by outside forces and asks for help, all joint forces are to be mobilized to support them. Further support on the part of member nations is optional, but may be requested by a majority vote in council.

5) No member nation is permitted to take military action against another member, upon penalty of expulsion from the alliance. In cases in which the aggressor is not clear, all nations militarily involved will be suspended from their alliance priviliges and required to cease-fire until the council can come to a decision as to who was in the wrong, and act accordingly.

6) No member nation may initiate military action against a non-member, as above, unless this has been approved by a 75% majority vote in the alliance council, in which case all alliance forces are required to join in. In cases where the aggressor is unknown, alliance forces are to impose a cease-fire until a decision can be reached, as above.

7) Member nations may request alliance funding, materials, or technical expertise in any military or civilian research project they may conduct, but are obliged to make the fruits of said project available to all alliance members who contributed.

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	31-12-2002 08:11									#52
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Eternal Cold wishes to join the Free Trade Alliance, as it's already banned all tariffs as part of its economic policy.

	31-12-2002 08:31									#53
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The Honourable Governor of Centralis: You are welcome to start an alliance to such an effect, however this is something slightly different. I support you're desire for peace, yet the promise of support from Akiria is a gesture to try to further peace. It is not subject to a council decision, and no other country is forced to help a country that is attacked (although it is requested). The only requirement is the support of peace. Akiria commends your attitude, and welcomes more initiatives to help the defense of Apolyton, however I would like the emphasis of Akiria's promise to be on peace, rather than defense.

	31-12-2002 08:39									#54
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With all due respect, the Government of Centralis believes that without defense, there can be no peace; the best way of ensuring peace is to be strong enough that no-one is willing to attack you. As no nation on this world is powerful enough, on it's own, to defeat a large coalition of other nations, the only real solution is to establish a common defense.

	31-12-2002 08:46									#55
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I concur that a common defense is good, but we are in danger of an arms race, whereby we all build deterrants as fast as possible. Akiria would prefer mutual disarmament to large deterrants. As such, while you are free to create an alliance for defensive purposes, Akiria will not join. We will provide defense to all countries that support peace, and that ask for it. These are the only two conditions. However we will not be bound to a councils decisions on who to defend, on how much we must donate, or on what research we fund and who it is available to.

	31-12-2002 08:49									#56
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And yet the Commonwealth of Akiria is a member of the United Nations. Just how much difference is there between the UN and the proposed alliance? Indeed, the UN has more influence over Akiria than the alliance would, as you have far less influence within it and it has the power to legislate on more or less anything.

	31-12-2002 08:55									#57
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I do, however, if the UN proposed to raise defense spending, Akiria would vote and argue against, and if it looked like ti would pass, Akiria would leave the UN. The UN is a fine insitution for promoting rights, or ecology, or many other things. However the people of Akiria feel safe, and do not wish to be told how to defend themselves. We will support peaceful nations, but will not be bound in our support of anyone whom a council decides worthy, and will not be bound on defense spending, for ourselves of for a joint project.

	31-12-2002 09:06									#58
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I fear you may have misunderstood the terms of the alliance. You are not required to increase defense spending, nor to contribute funds to joint projects. It will be your choice what you contribute to the alliance; the more you contribute, the more influence you will have, but you are not required to make more than a token contribution, and you will not be required to contribute more, either.

	31-12-2002 09:12									#59
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I see that, but to have influence I would need to contribute quite considerably. And not having influence on where my forces go is unacceptable to my people. They demand direct control over where my military attacks, if it attacks, and with how much it attacks. In a defensive alliance, such as the one you have suggested, I cannot promise that they will have that, and as such, I cannot sign such an agreement. It has my support in principle, as does any proposal to promote peace and defense.

	31-12-2002 10:37									#60
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I fear for the region, I established this thread to promote trade among nations, and it has turned into an arms bazaar and a place to make military alliances. The only alliance we will ever need is that of the entire region together! Let us not work against each other, we should work with each other!