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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:24
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Count me in !
In the old days, slaves were sure a necessity, but we Apolytonians never enjoyed havong to work with underproductive slaves 
As centuries passed, foreign slaves never integrated our culture, and continued to speak their languages, and to perform their rites, in communities where there wasn't any hope of a brighter future for the slaves or for their children. It is now time to finish these centuries (millenia ?) of harsh injustice ! 
Now, we are at last on the way to enlightement, and this very discussion proves it. The old wandering wiseman, Eewolf, would have been proud of us 
While I have moral reasons to oppose slavery, I would like to express the economic reasons why we should emancipate all slaves :
- Slaves work twice as slow as PW workers, while they are as efficient as domestic citizens when they work in the city.
- Slaves do not cost any upkeep, but it is a moot point : when they work in the city, they bring much more than one gold, and thus are more cost-efficient than what they'd be as slaves.
- Many slaves are French or Americans, and do not show any more eagerness to revolt than our nationals, now that their mother civilization has been integrated.
Down with slavery ! Up with emancipation ! 
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:24
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Hehe.
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Nolan
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You open your arms to them and they will stab you. The moment you free a slave he will betray you, duty and honor are not understood by these foriegn cultures, don't make the mistake of giving them freedom
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pikesfan
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Add me to the voices calling for justice.
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Nolan
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I see what both sides are saying, Skywalker is saying if 12 slaves can do the job of 6 natives, and 6 natives is all we need keep the slaves because they are free and natives will cost 6 gold. On the other hand the other side is saying with those 12 slaves we can add 12 pop points to our cities while before if we add natives we can only add 6 to take away the same amount of infrastructural capacity, and they feel those 12 slaves in cities will make more than 1/2 a gold piece each, which is the upkeep they will have to pay to cover the native units.
Those in my opinion are the only two arguments that are really relevant here, the micromanagement argument of time seems silly, as it's already been looked at and we all know we'll need twice as many slaves as native workers, still in truth I don't know which would be better but in roleplay.
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Keep the foriegn assistance in the fields it's it's only way to the Great Bananna.
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regards
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Shiber
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Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Nolan
I see what both sides are saying, Skywalker is saying if 12 slaves can do the job of 6 natives, and 6 natives is all we need keep the slaves because they are free and natives will cost 6 gold. On the other hand the other side is saying with those 12 slaves we can add 12 pop points to our cities while before if we add natives we can only add 6 to take away the same amount of infrastructural capacity, and they feel those 12 slaves in cities will make more than 1/2 a gold piece each, which is the upkeep they will have to pay to cover the native units.
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I'd like to respond to that.
First, let's establish a few things. Number one, I'm sure you'd agree that in the long range, workers (or any kind) are more useful when they're out there, improving the terrain, than when they're in cities, working it. Now, from this we can infer that it's best to begin integrating workers (domestic or slaves) only after all the public works have been completed.
Now, taking a look at the current map I see that there's still work to be done in our own lands, and A LOT of work to be done in the German lands which we are about to take over. However, once we're done with that, we'll only need workers to clean up pollution, improve new lands that we conquer (e.g. Zululand and England) and do occasional jobs for the SMC during war.
For doing all this, I'm sure you'd agree that we can make do with, let's say, 40 slaves. I remind you that we've recently researched replaceable parts, which makes workers work twice as fast, which means that slaves are now as fast as workers used to be. I'd also like to remind you that our civ is industrious, which makes our workers, domestic and foreign, work faster than normal. Having said that, I'm rather confident that you'd agree that 40 slaves would be sufficient to perform these minor jobs in more than adequate speed.
IIRC, we currently have about 70 slaves and about 50-60 domestic workers. After the war with Germany is over, we may have 90, even nearly 100 slaves because we get one slave per every German city that we conquer, and we'll capture Otto's workers eventually. If we'd want to reserve 40 slaves for odd jobs, that would leave us with 50-60 slaves and 50-60 domestic workers to integrate, which is definitely enough, considering that:
A. We don't really want to integrate so many workers into a city that it passes 21 pop (or less if it shares some tiles with a neighboring city) because then we'd just have specialists, which don't do much good I'm afraid.
B. By the time all our terrain, including the German acquisitions, is fully improved, most of our cities will have already had hospitals built into them and would have grown by several citizens, so we'd need less workers to integrate into those cities to have as many citizens in the city as available tiles.
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27-12-2002 10:14
All that time underground, digging, barely scraping a living together, until I enlisted with the Shadows. Indeed, it was my memories of working the mines that inspired me to create the Labor Party. 
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