27-12-2002 14:17									#1
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	27-12-2002 14:22									#2
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GatheringStorm: 41
Demogyptica: 48
Warmongers: 46
Spanish: 46
Voxians: 46
Invictians: 41
Lego: 47

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The Wheel in 3 turns

	27-12-2002 14:24									#3
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Grog moves 8. Sees jungle and grass with wheat.

Gronk moves 8. Not much new.

Hack moves 7 onto hut...

	27-12-2002 14:26									#4
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Well, of all the useless things to happen. What ever are we going to do with...






































a settler!

	27-12-2002 14:32									#5
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Slash moves 8.

W with no name fortified in EotS

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F11.

Max commerce 7, 3rd.
Set commerce 7, 3rd.

Max shields 5, 2nd.
Set shields 5, 2nd.

Madrid dropped off top 5. RP timed their settler well.

	27-12-2002 14:37									#6
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EotS reset to Settler.

Settler moved South.

Where do we want to build a city?

	27-12-2002 14:59									#7
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Nice christmas present

	27-12-2002 15:21									#8
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither a settler!

Great, how lucky, i was expecting angry hordes.
We'll soon lead the points table

	27-12-2002 15:23									#9
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Taking EotS as a central point:
6-6-9
6-6-8
6-6
8-8-4
8-8-7
their all within 4 moves for the settler

	27-12-2002 15:28									#10
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Wow... only one hut, and then we get this from it? excellent!

I'm trying my hands on a city placement plan now... will mail it when ready. Nye, I noticed you moved the settler South, but shouldn't it be better to move him North, or West? We can use him South, of course, but if we spread a little, we should have an easier time filling in the blanks (less travel time for our future settlers).

Further: it seems demogyptica is the one who also got a settler or a city from a hut: they've got the highest score, and are at size 2 again, so they can't have build the settler themselves. I hope it was a city, and not a settler

DeepO

	27-12-2002 16:58									#11
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Awesome!
Couldn't be any better than this. Well, except perhaps a hut with a modern armor tank.

	27-12-2002 18:53									#12
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Great!

	27-12-2002 19:05									#13
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HOLY ****!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that's awesome! Merry Christmas, Gathering Storm! Ho-ho-ho!

I gotta look at the screenshots (I've missed the last several rounds) in order to throw in my 2 cents about where to build.

	27-12-2002 20:17									#14
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It would be very nice indeed if some of us would cook up a dotmap of our becoming cities with a possible number on them of what priority should the cities be built. (then we others could critisize it )

	27-12-2002 20:31									#15
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Euh... conqueror... you might want to check the thread entitled 'city placement proposal'

Maybe it's good to move the discussion on where to spend our Christmas-gift-coupon to there

DeepO

	27-12-2002 20:40									#16
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO Euh... conqueror... you might want to check the thread entitled 'city placement proposal' Maybe it's good to move the discussion on where to spend our Christmas-gift-coupon to there DeepO

Ah, yes, did read this first, commented there now

	27-12-2002 22:07									#17
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WOO-HOO!!!

"... and a Settler in a pear tree!"

	27-12-2002 22:30									#18
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Well... not discussing where the settler should be, but something else which more or less is in order: What if we would wait with settling our christmass gift until we build the first regular settler? I know, faster cities are better of course, but if the other teams see we cash in this gift, and don't drop in population, they might grow envious... if it only differs one or two turns, I would hold a bit. After our fourth city, other teams can't read the F11 screen good anyhow.

DeepO

	27-12-2002 22:36									#19
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Very subtle thinking...

But does it matter?

	27-12-2002 22:47									#20
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I don't know... just exploring possibilities here to let the others believe were just decent, and not doing superbly

DeepO

	27-12-2002 23:53									#21
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I say we settle as soon as we get the settler where we want it. Whether that is next turn, or a couple down the road depends. Playing mind games with the opposition isn't worth delaying building our 2nd city.

I'm now really happy we built extra warriors, because we can divert one to garrison the new city *if* we build it kinda far from EotS (such that it will be a 1-shield city for a little while, and vunerable to barb attack).

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	27-12-2002 23:58									#22
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I'm not sure what kind of an effect this would have. If the other teams notice that we got a settler from a goody hut it could either make them see us as an ally worth considering, or as an adversary worth ganging up against. However, IMHO most chances are that they'll say "ahh, what the heck" and don't mind this.

	28-12-2002 00:13									#23
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I say build the city ASAP. Good thinking DeepO, but I just don't think that level of paranoia is really necessary at this stage of the game.

	28-12-2002 00:16									#24
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So far everyone agrees, including me. Just think of it as a thought experiment

DeepO

	28-12-2002 00:19									#25
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO So far everyone agrees, including me. Just think of it as a thought experiment DeepO

oh sure, try to make it sound like you didn't want to do it all along..

	28-12-2002 00:45									#26
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I'm not sure if this thought belongs here (or any of a half dozen other threads), but what the heck...

RADICAL CHANGE AHEAD:

Given our isolated start, what if we focus HEAVILY on Settlers / Workers. Build the next two towns on the gold tile and 3 tiles north of EotS, and irrigate the heck out of the floodplains. Get up to 10-11 towns ASAP, and then deal with everything else. Jesus, with 2 luxuries and cheap temples, we'd then be an economic / production powerhouse.

I'd still want to get 1-2 WCs and maybe 1-2 Warriors out there for exploration, but otherwise play a hardcore REX strategy.

Thoughts?

	28-12-2002 01:35									#27
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I'm not sure this would be a radical change, Theseus. So far we are almost hardcore rexing already, and I don't think that while we haven't met anyone we are going to build lots of troops. I'm not sure if we need to really go for superefficient rexing and nothing else, but as long as it is more or less balanced (e.g. with possible settlerpumps, which original REX didn't had), I'm all for it.

For instance, I still think that building a barracks now is not needed, and if we need to spend shields while waiting for a pop-increase, I'd build a temple. Also, maybe we should reconsider wonderbuilding: the pyramids seem a very good choice for our (relative?) isolation. If only they didn't trigger our GA...

DeepO

	28-12-2002 01:39									#28
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OK, so not so radical. I like the direction you're going though... while I almost never build Pyramids, a Temple (and Granary?) in EotS, plus connecting the spices, could be pretty powerful.

And I agree, it's looking like Barracks would be a waste.

Re your thought experiment: If we made the gold tile the site of the 2nd town, and sent the Settler from EotS north to the floodplains site, we really would lose very little production, and "veil" our activities. I've actually done a 360 on this, and think it might be a good idea.

	28-12-2002 01:49									#29
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You've done a 360? don't get dizzy, only a 180 would be in my direction again

I'm not sure... if it wastes too much, I wouldn't do it. but if I get it right, we'll drop in pop (and likely from the F11 screens of the other teams) in 5 turns, we should wait at least so long, and preferably one turn longer to settle to have any effect. I still think it a worthy thought experiment, and if we are going to focus on rexing, it might even get a better deal. But still... we would lose 2 or 3 turns on a possible city.

As to putting the city 2 tiles North at the floodplain: that tile certainly is a better tile when it comes to possible growth, but we should agree that we lose a floodplain on doing it. So far I liked that we didn't need to waste any special tiles... a irr fp + a mined desert is a better then a irr desert and a hill

DeepO

	28-12-2002 03:38									#30
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO You've done a 360? don't get dizzy, only a 180 would be in my direction again

I was reading the AU PTW Mod thread, and DID get dizzy!

So we lose, what, 6 food and 3 trade? Whereas we pick up an extra 6 trade from settling the gold tile earlier.

And, btw, I'm liking that gold tile more and more... build a temple there from the get-go, and we can connect / work the spice hill ASAP.