28-12-2002 05:23									#31
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The big problem with him adopting cats to take home and disect is this:

He had to kill them to dissect them. Couldn't he simply have "adopted" a cat that had already been put to sleep?

The dissecting doesn't disturb me, but the idea of him killing or even dissecting a live cat is very disturbing, many killers start this way.

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	28-12-2002 05:53									#32
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quote: He said abuse, not just use. Fundamental difference between the two there.

Yeah, but he assumes that testing on animals is abuse. What else could he mean? I mean how has he abused animals? Killing a cat and dissecting it? In that case throw all animal researchers in jail because they do the same thing (they don't wait until the cat dies before researching on it).

	28-12-2002 06:01									#33
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I guess it's just personal opinion; cutting up cats as a hobby (fits the description) seems pretty abusive to me.

	28-12-2002 06:02									#34
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Doesn't seem like a 'hobby' to me. He was doing it for research purposes. Unless all research is simply a 'hobby'.

	28-12-2002 06:11									#35
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Obtaining research specimens through lying, killing and then cutting them up doesn't sound like the most brilliant of research to me. It sounds about as scientific as grave-robbing.

	28-12-2002 06:13									#36
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Which is the entire science of archeology .

	28-12-2002 06:15									#37
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Indiana Jones never killed a cat.

	28-12-2002 06:20									#38
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How do you know... he was named after a dog after all .

And he did kill an India tribe .

	28-12-2002 06:21									#39
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But they were evil.

	28-12-2002 06:23									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui How do you know... he was named after a dog after all . And he did kill an India tribe .

He wasn't named after a dog, he stole the dogs name.....

And any tribe that can rip your heart out of your chest by their fingers should be killed.



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	28-12-2002 06:24									#41
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quote: But they were evil.

So you say

What makes you think Frist wasn't as hateful towards cats as Alexander's Horse is. Maybe he thought they were evil .

	28-12-2002 06:26									#42
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Kali worshippers = evil

Kitties = not evil

And besides, he just defeated them, he didn't wipe the thugs out. And Frist probably did hate the cats. There is no room for hatred in research (except for the work itself).

	28-12-2002 06:44									#43
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No room for hatred in research?!

That's all research is about! Hating the person that could get the research done faster .

	28-12-2002 07:21									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Apologizing should be irrelevant by your standards, Imran, because Byrd long-ago apologized for his Klan ties, which were token anyway. Hugo Black was a former Klansman, at least nominally, (as was just about every southern politicion around in the 30's and 40's, it was a powerful constituency, and his record within SCOTUS hardly suggests ol' Hugo hewed to the Klan's values. I wasn't saying that I don't accept Byrd's apology. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of accepting a Democrat's apology, but not a Republican' one.

Byrd is the sort of anachronism (like Helms) who should be long gone from the Senate and US politics. He's tolerated for one reason: since he brings home the pork and prevents WV from sinking to the economic level of, say, Haiti, he'll be reelected as long as he runs. That being the case, he has enough connections to grease things for other Senators, or stop them dead in their tracks.

	28-12-2002 09:11									#45
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Speaking as one of the most liberal American posters on 'Poly, and as someone concerned for the well-being of all animals (including cats, a species that I don't particularly like)...



Honestly, without more information, this is a complete nonissue. If he performed vivisections for shits and giggles, that's another thing entirely, but I see no proof of that whatsoever.

This man has personally saved thousands of lives. Now, I don't particularly care for his politics (which, granted, may endanger more lives than he has ever saved). But I'm going to give him a pass on his anatomy experiments until something more incriminating comes along.

Good lord, no wonder everyone hates liberals...

	28-12-2002 09:16									#46
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Imran and Shi. I agree. The cat issue is a non-starter. There is much to be learned from the dissection of cats. (I suggest we start with Tuberski )

However, Frist's failure to vote until he was 36 and the conflict of interest arising from his $25 million investment in HCA gives me pause.

If he were a member of the White House, its conflict-of-interest rules would force Frist to divest. If he were a member of the House, its conflict-of-interest rules would permit him to keep the investment, but he wouldn't be able to vote on any health-care issues. But under Senate rules, Frist can keep the investment and vote on health-care issues...as long as his vote is "for the good of the country."

	28-12-2002 09:18									#47
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BTW...why do you guys keep ragging on Byrd because he used to be a member of the KKK. Ronald Reagan used to be a member of the Democratic Party. People change.

	28-12-2002 09:20									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler Imran and Shi. I agree. The cat issue is a non-starter. There is much to be learned from the dissection of cats. (I suggest we start with Tuberski )

Why, you little $!#@^@%$#^



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	28-12-2002 09:21									#49
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Having been both teacher and student in medical schools I know how common this is. If you love your kitty and you live in a city with a medical school then do not ever, ever let miss kitty out of your sight in public.




You've been warned now. What happens from this day forward is your responsibility.

	28-12-2002 09:25									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Kali worshippers = evil Kitties = not evil

Then explain this:

http://catoftheday.com/archive/2001/April/29.html

	28-12-2002 09:27									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Static23 Then explain this: http://catoftheday.com/archive/2001/April/29.html

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	28-12-2002 09:32									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler BTW...why do you guys keep ragging on Byrd because he used to be a member of the KKK. Ronald Reagan used to be a member of the Democratic Party. People change.

Although I might not agree with them on an issue or two, I don't think the Democratic Party is quite as bad as the KKK

	28-12-2002 10:21									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: Having been both teacher and student in medical schools I know how common this is. If you love your kitty and you live in a city with a medical school then do not ever, ever let miss kitty out of your sight in public.

If that's true then perhaps it explains the instinctive, visceral revulsion that I always feel on the rare occasions when I find myself in the presence of surgeons. Heaven help me if I ever need any kind of serious medical treatment.

Regarding Frist, here's what I want to know: how did he kill these cats? If they had remained unadopted at the animal shelter, they would have been euthanized humanely with barbituates. So is that how Frist killed them? Or did he drown them in the bathtub or strangle them or what?

Or did he vivisect them? In other words, dissect them alive? If that's what he did then I hope he gets his a$$ fried by every animal welfare organization in the country.

	28-12-2002 10:47									#54
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Right on, Ann.

	28-12-2002 12:50									#55
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AnnC, the Humane Society and shelters like them, unlike the ASPCA, don't euthanize the animals. They will care for them until they die of natural causes. In order to adopt a pet from them, you must sign an agreement to care for the animal.

Unfortunately the article doesn't state which shelters Frist frequented.

	28-12-2002 12:57									#56
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Maybe we need to appoint a special prosecutor and spend 65 million in taxpayers money to find out.

	28-12-2002 18:39									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Static23 Then explain this: http://catoftheday.com/archive/2001/April/29.html

My statements were not mutually exclusive, I just didn't factor in for the possibility of a cat called Kali. Who may well be evil.

	28-12-2002 22:59									#58
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quote: However, Frist's failure to vote until he was 36 and the conflict of interest arising from his $25 million investment in HCA gives me pause.

Voting until 36 isn't that bad... when you consider the number of people who actually vote anyway.

The $25 million in HCA doesn't bother me too much either. I mean, it's his father's company and he has investments in it. Do you mean to tell me that anyone that owns stock in HMOs can't vote on health bills?

	29-12-2002 00:37									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: However, Frist's failure to vote until he was 36 and the conflict of interest arising from his $25 million investment in HCA gives me pause. The $25 million in HCA doesn't bother me too much either. I mean, it's his father's company and he has investments in it. Do you mean to tell me that anyone that owns stock in HMOs can't vote on health bills?

Under IRS rules, he's a corporate insider (immediate relative) and may be one under SEC rules by several different criteria. In most business transactions, there would be a clear disclosure requirements, and if he was a judge or in the executive branch, he would be unable to act on matters which could affect HCA directly or indirectly (i.e. affecting competitors, market conditions, or significantly affecting the industry in general).

It doesn't mean he's "dirty", it does mean there's a very clear conflict of interest.

	29-12-2002 00:42									#60
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc What's the joke about Chinese resturaunts?

I don't know about Chinese restaurants, but did you hear the one about why there are no Chinese veterinarians? "Your Fluffy, he very sad, he no make it. He put to sleep," the vet says to the aggreived family while using a toothpick.