28-12-2002 09:12									#31
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Tuberski:

Rappers don't whine about depression... suicide... their parents wanting them to be a certain way... how people must fight conformity...

rappers may be angsty but only because most rappers had to deal with a lot of legitimate problems unlike punk rockers...


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	28-12-2002 09:15									#32
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and I can name a few rappers such as Common and Talib Kweli who always got this removed maturity in their songs... Take Common's Retrospect for Life...

Knowin you the best part of life, do I have the right to take yours
Cause I created you, irresponsibly
Subconciously knowin the act I was a part of
The start of somethin, I'm not ready to bring into the world
Had myself believin I was sterile
I look into mother's stomach, wonder if you are a boy or a girl
Turnin this woman's womb into a tomb
But she and I agree, a seed we don't need
You would've been much more than a mouth to feed
But someone, I woulda fed this information I read
to someone, my life for you I woulda had to leave
Instead I lead you to death
I'm sorry for takin your first breath, first step, and first cry
But I wasn't prepared mentally nor financially
Havin a child shouldn't have to bring out the man in me
Plus I wanted you to be raised within a family
I don't wanna, go through the drama of havin a baby's momma
Weekend visits and buyin J's ain't gon' make me a father
For a while bearing a child is somethin I never wanted to do
For me to live forever I can only do that through you
Nerve I got to talk about them niggaz with a gun
Must have really thought I was God to take the life of my son
I could have sacrificed goin out
To think my homies who did it I used to joke about, from now on
I'ma use self control instead of birth control
Cause $315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth it

[Lauryn Hill (two layers of vocals, same words)]
I, never dreamed you'd leave, in summer
You said you would be here when it rained
[Common] Yo
Why didn't you stay

Seeing you as a present and a gift in itself
You had our child in you, I probably never feel what you felt
But you dealt with it like the strong black woman you are
Through our trials and tribulations, child's elimination
An intergration of thoughts I feel about the situation
Back and forth my feelings was pacin
Happy deep down but not joyed enough to have it
But even that's a lie in less than two weeks, we was back at it
Is this unprotected love or safe to say it's lust
Bustin, more than the sweat in somebody you trust
Or is it that we don't trust each other enough
And believe, havin this child'll make us have to stay together
Girl I want you in my life cause you have made it better
Thinkin we all in love cause we can spend a day together
We talkin spendin the rest of our lives
It's too many black women that can say they mothers
but can't say that they wives
I wouldn't chose any other to mother my understanding
But I want our Parenthood to come from Planning
It's so much in my life that's undone
We gotta see eye to eye, about family, before we can become one
If you had decided to have it the situation I wouldn't run from
But I'm walkin, findin myself in my God
So I can, discipline my son with my writin
Not have a judge tellin me how and when to raise my seed
Though his death was at our greed, with no one else to blame
I had a book of Afrikan names, case our minds changed
You say your period hasn't came, and lately I've been sleepy
So quit smokin the weed and the beadies and let's have this boy



tell me that is angst...

	28-12-2002 09:19									#33
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Not all rap is bad, it's mostly just modern rap. "Old-school" stuff like Run DMC and Public Enemy is great. The old-timers actually had a postive message for young African-Americans that encouraged staying in school, not using drugs, not giving up despite a system that makes things considerably difficult for them, etc. It's unfortunate that this rap has given way to the Nelly and "Cash Money Millionaire" types. Though there is still a bit of good Hip-Hop out there, if you search hard enough. For those who haven't lost all hope in the genre, I suggest they look up a rapper called Deltron 3030.

	28-12-2002 09:21									#34
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Yeah, Common is a great rapper Albert. He is a very intelligent man actually. He definitely isn't the usual gangsta type. It's too bad that rappers such as Common and his ilk aren't more "common" (pardon the pun) in the mainstream. They have a great message.

	28-12-2002 09:21									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Tuberski: Rappers don't whine about depression... suicide... their parents wanting them to be a certain way... how people must fight conformity... rappers may be angsty but only because most rappers had to deal with a lot of legitimate problems unlike punk rockers... thanks

I'm not disagreeing with you there, but it's still angst whether legitimate or not.

ACK!

	28-12-2002 09:24									#36
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monkspider:

Run DMC and Public Enemy are garbage by today's standards... they barely rhymed! never used metaphors... they were simplistic and dumbed down almost.

and to be honest, I see Nelly et al as being a suburban thing... I have yet to meet someone who likes Nelly so I assume that nobody in the city except maybe a few girls who think he's cute like him... so I don't see people like Cash Money having much real influence on urban youth. People don't be listening to them much and if they do, only for the beats... it's the suburbans who like that ****.

and **** that Deltron ****... there's plenty of mainstream rappers who have positive messages expressed eloquently... Nas, Rakim, Scarface, 2pac, AZ, Cormega, Bone Thugs, Ghostface Killah, Killah Priest... the list goes on...


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	28-12-2002 09:25									#37
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I was totally punk in '77 - gobbing, vomiting, ingesting unsuitable substances, jumping up and down to primitive music pared down to the basics...

OK, so the music was the Wombles, the unsuitable substances we're bits of biscuit I found on the floor and I was only four years old old...

	28-12-2002 09:26									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer and **** that Deltron ****... there's plenty of mainstream rappers who have positive messages expressed eloquently... Nas, Rakim, Scarface, 2pac, AZ, Cormega, Bone Thugs, Ghostface Killah, Killah Priest... the list goes on... thanks

How can artists with "killah" in their name provide a positive message?


ACK!

	28-12-2002 09:27									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski How can artists with "killah" in their name provide a positive message? ACK!

It's the man's fault they are killahs

	28-12-2002 09:29									#40
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Well it's good to hear that the more positive side of Rap lives on Alb. I don't think that the Nelly type of Rap is limited to just suburban white kids though, I do come from the projects as well you know and my bro and his friends were big into the Cash Money Millionaire types. Although I guess maybe they were just into for the beats as you say, since obviously there is no lyrical content to speak of. I was never much of a man for beats myself, so I'm not really one to judge on these matters.

	28-12-2002 09:30									#41
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monk:

My point is that even the most hardcore gangsta rappers are very intelligent... 2Pac was probably one of the most intelligent men in the music industry. He recorded two to three songs a day, starred in five different movies, and read hundreds of books on philosophy and culture... he changed his name to Makaveli in fact after reading machiavelli's works... Snoop Dogg, not known for his intelligence in lyrics, was an all A student in high school and had colleges giving him a slew of scholarships before he committed a minor crime... Killah Priest of Wu-Tang has said in interviews he is obsessed with Medieval history and constantly refers to Papal history in his rhymes... the white image of christ is really Caesar Borgia, second son of Pope Alexander the Sixth of Rome and when the picture was shown, thats how the devils tripped my dome...

Though most rappers are high school dropouts or didn't get past community college they are probably the most intellectual men in the music industry... even if they are hardcore gangsters half the time


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	28-12-2002 09:37									#42
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Rap Opera. I hate those fat women with horns doing rap.

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Alb - You're right, some of the gangsta rappers posess a wisdom that transcends any lack of formal education they may have. Some of 2Pac's songs such as "Life Goes on" or "Changes" were indeed elequent and touching, and offered a postiive message for young African-Americans. Of course a vast majority of rappers these days are more interested in rapping about smoking that chronic blunt and so forth, but there is a true great like 2Pac every once in a while.

	28-12-2002 09:41									#44
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quote: Though most rappers are high school dropouts or didn't get past community college they are probably the most intellectual men in the music industry... even if they are hardcore gangsters half the time

This one had me in stitches.

Thanks!

You should learn to separate pseudointellectuals and intellectuals.

Someone who is a hardcore gangster is ruled out from being an intellectual from the start, since they should know better..

Knowing proper English usually helps, too.

	28-12-2002 09:52									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer and to be honest, I see Nelly et al as being a suburban thing... I have yet to meet someone who likes Nelly so I assume that nobody in the city except maybe a few girls who think he's cute like him...

I have to disagree, Nelly is huge in the city I'm from. Of course I'm from St. Louis and he's from St. Louis.

	28-12-2002 09:54									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer and I can name a few rappers such as Common and Talib Kweli who always got this removed maturity in their songs... Take Common's Retrospect for Life...

Worst genre: pro-life rap.

	28-12-2002 11:09									#47
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Static:

Don't abortion your womb, we need more warriors soon -Nas

	28-12-2002 11:42									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Asher This one had me in stitches. Thanks! You should learn to separate pseudointellectuals and intellectuals. Someone who is a hardcore gangster is ruled out from being an intellectual from the start, since they should know better.. Knowing proper English usually helps, too.

You're just re-enforcing a stereotype.

	28-12-2002 11:44									#49
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All stereotypes come from somewhere.

There may be some rappers who can be considered intellectuals, but it's a HUGE stretch for someone to even consider claiming that they're probably the most intellectual out of all of the genres of music.

	28-12-2002 11:50									#50
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Lyrics from the Top 5 rap tracks right now according to Billboard:

"Work It" - Missie Elliot

quote: [Chorus] Is it worth it, let me work it I put my thang down, flip it and reverse it If you got a big [elephant], let me search it To find out how hard I gotta work ya [Verse 1] I'd like to get to know ya, so I can show ya Put the ***** on ya, like I told ya Gimme all your numbers so I can phone ya Your girl acting stank than call me yova Not on the bed, lay me on your sofa But before you come I need to shave my chocha You do or you don't or you will or you won't cha Go downtown and eat it like a vulcha See my ass and my lips don't cha Lost a few pounds in my whiffs for ya This the kinda beat that go bha ta ta Ra ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta Sex me so good I say blah blah blah Work it, I need a glass of water Boy oh boy its good to know ya [repeat chorus] [verse 2] If you're a fly gyal, then get your nose done Get a pedicure, get your hair did Boy lift it up, lets make a toasta Lets get drunk, its gon bring us closa Don't I look like a HalleBerry posta? See dem Belvedere playin tricks on ya Girlfriend wanna be like me neva You won't find a ***** that's even betta I make it hot as Las Vegasweatha Listen up close while I take you back I'm not a prostitute but I can give you whatchu want I love your braids and your mouth full of fonts [?] Love the way my ass bump bump bump bump bump bump Keep your eyes on my bump bump bump bump bump And think you can handle this ga-dunk ga-dunk dunk Take my thong off and my ass go boom Cut the lights off so you see what I can do [repeat chorus] [verse 3] Boys, boys, all type of boys Black, white, Puerto Rican, Chinese boys White like Antonio Girls, girls, get that cash If its not a foul shakin that ass Ain't no shame ladies, do your thang Just make sure you ahead of tha game Just cuz I got a lot of fame supa Prince couldn't get me change my name howpa Picture black sand oh yes amassa Picture Lil' Kim dating a pastor Minute man big red can outlast ya Who is the best, I don't have to ask ya When I come out, you won't even matta Why you act dumb like ughhh, duh So you act dumb like ughhh, duh And the drummer boy go pa rum pum pum pum Give ya some some some of this in a bun [repeat chorus] To my fellas, Good God, I like the way you work that [scratching] To my ladies, woo You sure know how to work that, good God

Air Force Ones, Nelly Featuring Kyjuan, Ali & Murphy Lee

quote: [Intro] Big boy.. Big boy.. Big boy [Chorus] I said give me two pair (cause) I need two pair So I can get to stompin in my air force ones (Big boys) stompin in my air force ones [Nelly] I like the all white high top strap with the gum bottom (Big boy) theres somthin bout dem that's dirty why I got em (Big boy) I leave um strapped and laced and come up out um (Big boy) the last person that touched um I been shot um, (big boy) [Kyjuan] Now if you looked, and seen lime green forces and kiwi (Big boy) you couldn't get this color if you had a personal genie (Big boy) you now I keep it hip-hop My niggas flip flop (Big boy) yea my force ones and tip top (Me) now form a flip flop, (big boy) [Ali] I like the limit ed edition to kaki and only green (Big boy) patent leather pin stripe you should see how I do the strime (Big boy) size twelve with the strap Red and white with a cardinal cap (Big boy) all flavors well it just depend on when and (don't get me) where I am at (Big boy) [Murphy Lee] Don't get me wrong man And Murphy lee aint dumb man (Big boy) cuz if the shoe is on the shelf you should have some man (Big boy) you can not sit up and tell me that you have none man (Big boy) you may not have three or four but you got one man (big boy) [Chorus x2] [Murphy Lee] We up in footlocker I'm looking like I need those (Big boy) ten in a half and if you got em give me two of those (Big boy) I can tell she never seen murphy lee befo (Big boy) cuz shes just standin ther as if I'm shootin free throws (Big boy) I said excuse me miss I only wanna buy shoes (Big boy) she said I love u Murph especially in the white in blue (Big boy) I said the white in blue sound nice make it twice (Big boy) and I signed an (yo) autograph (yo) "thanks for the advice" (big boy) [Ali] I keep it real dirty, dirty you know how I do (Big boy) purple in gold with the Lakers the broncos the orange in blue (Big boy) I like em floppy with ankle socks lows mids and high tops, (big boy) Which are clear so But this tims and fat laces with it is cold (Big boy) but when I win the gold (blhhha) in the house I'm a flow (Big boy) then its back to the on purpose with em and dots in the toe (Big boy) then I'm stopping this dough that I'm spending fa sho (Big boy) on dem Nike air force and e behind de o (big boy) [Kyjuan] O.. k li, I treat my shoe like my ride (Big boy) chrome on the fat laces at what wood on the inside (Big boy) spray candy on the swoosh With the electric roof (Big boy) put the kid on the sole now I got a wad of shoe (Big boy) you see that low misk with the purple coop I'm drivin them (Big boy), (Kyjuan, were you getting dem colors, are you dyin them) (Big boy) ten is my size in dem No point in tiein dem (Big boy) aint no point in tryin these on You know I'm buyin dem (big boy) [Nelly] Now don't nothing get the hype on first site like, white on whites (Big boy) dem three quarters them lows they all tyte (Big boy) the only problem they only good for one night (Big boy) cuz once you scuff um you ****ed up your whole night (Big boy) whats my basis? The look up sto on his faces (Big boy) this kids outrageous hes byein them by the cases (Big boy) cuz once I cop um gut um and switch the laces (Big boy) they all purpose ya heard me kinda like my datin (big boy) [Chorus x2] [Kyjuan] I wore spurs at first now theres tape on dem (Big boy) damn, the nose come out, so I write the date on them (Big boy) these Louie for Taiwan you gotta wait on dem (Big boy) I had to get em early so I spent more cake on dem (big boy) [Murphy Lee] Look I'm tryin to keep it up like a one minute man (Big boy) while Ali on the Kawasaki two head bands (Big boy) jewelry and all (Wow) fish bowlin um all (Big Boy), (I got some fifteens) security buyin shoes and all (big boy) [Nelly] Now some time I get em free some time I gotta pay (Big boy) walk in the mall and they now what I'm bout to say (Big boy) gimme the black and platinum, and leather gray (Big boy) ones in the back and (yo) tha pair you got on display (check), (big boy) [Ali] Now were da boxes were I keep mine (keep mine) You should beep mine (Big boy), (beep mine) Maybe once or twice but never three times (Big boy) I'm just a sneaker pro I love pumas and shell toes (Big boy) but cant nothin compare to a fresh crispy white pearl (big boy) [Chorus x2] Big boy.. Big boy.. Big boy

'03 Bonnie & Clyde, Jay-Z Featuring Beyonce Knowles

quote: [Talking] Uhh uhh uhh. You ready B? Let's go get 'em.. [Verse 1: Jay-Z] Look for me! Young, B Cruisin down the westside - highway Doing what we like to do - our, way Eyes behind shades, this necklace the reason all of my dates been blind dates But today, I got my thoroughest girl wit me I'm mashin the gas, she's grabbin the wheel, it's true to the heart She rides with me - the new Bobby and Whitney Only time we don't speak is during "Sex and the City" She gets Carrie fever, but soon as the show is over She's right back to being my soldier Cuz mami's a rider, and I'm a roller Put us together, how they gon' stop both us? What ever she lacks, I'm right over her shoulder When I'm off track mami is keepin me focused So let's, lock this down like it's supposed to be The '03 Bonnie and Clyde, Hov' and B [Chorus:] [Jay] All I need in this life of sin, is me and my girlfriend. [Bey] Down to ride 'til the very end, it's me and my boyfriend. [Jay] All I need in this life of sin, is me and my girlfriend. [Bey] Down to ride 'til the very end, it's me and my boyfriend. [Verse 2: Jay-Z] The problem is, you dudes treat the one that you lovin with the same respect that you treat the one that you humpin Now they 'bout nothin - if ever you mad about somethin It won't be that; oh no it won't be that I don't be at, places where we comfy at With no be-atch; oh no you won't see that And no, I ain't perfect - nobody walkin this earth's surface is But girlfriend, work with the kid I keep you workin that Hermes Burkin bag, Manolo Blahnik, Timbs, aviator lens 600 drops, Mercedes Benz The only time you wear Burberry to swim And I don't have to worry, only worry is him She do anything necessary for him And I do anything necessary for her so don't let the necessary occur, yep! [Chorus] [Beyonce] (Talk to 'em B) If I was your girlfried, I'll be there for you, if somebody hurts you, Even if that somebody is me Yeah-hee (break it down for 'em) Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be And so I put this on my life Nobody or nothing will ever come between us And I promise I'll give my life and all of my trust if you was my boyfriend Put this on my life The air that I breathe in, all that I believe in I promise I'll give my life my love and my trust if you was my boyfriend [Chorus]

Lose Yourself, Eminem

quote: Look, if you had one shot, one opportunity To seize everything you ever wanted One moment Would you capture it or just let it slip? His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy There'ss vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready To drop bombs, but he keeps on forgettin What he wrote down, the whole crowd goes so loud He opens his mouth, but the words won't come out He's chokin, how everybody's jokin now The clocks run out, times up over, bloah! Snap back to reality, Oh there goes gravity Oh, there goes Rabbit, he choked Hes so mad, but he wont give up that Is he? No He wont have it , he knows his whole back citys ropes It dont matter, hes dope He knows that, but hes broke Hes so stacked that he knows When he goes back to his mobile home, thats when its Back to the lab again yo This whole rap **** He better go capture this moment and hope it dont pass him HOOK: You better lose yourself in the music, the moment You own it, you better never let it go You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo The souls escaping, through this hole that its gaping This world is mine for the taking Make me king, as we move toward a, new world order A normal life is borin, but superstardoms close to post mortar It only grows harder, only grows hotter He blows us all over these hoes is all on him Coast to coast shows, hes know as the globetrotter Lonely roads, God only knows Hes grown farther from home, hes no father He goes home and barely knows his own daughter But hold your nose cuz here goes the cold water His bosses dont want him no mo, hes cold product They moved on to the next schmoe who flows He nose dove and sold nada So the soap opera is told and unfolds I suppose its old potna, but the beat goes on Da da dum da dum da da HOOK No more games, Ima change what you call rage Tear this motha****in roof off like 2 dogs caged I was playin in the beginnin, the mood all changed I been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage But I kept rhymin and stepwritin the next cypher Best believe somebodys payin the pied piper All the pain inside amplified by the fact That I cant get by with my 9 to 5 And I cant provide the right type of life for my family Cuz man, these goddam food stamps dont buy diapers And its no movie, theres no Mekhi Phifer, this is my life And these times are so hard and it's getting even harder Tryin to feed and water my seed, plus See dishonor caught up bein a father and a prima donna Baby mama drama screamin on and Too much for me to wanna Stay in one spot, another jam or not Has gotten me to the point, I'm like a snail I've got to formulate a plot fore I end up in jail or shot Success is my only motha****in option, failures not Mom, I love you, but this trail has got to go I cannot grow old in Salems lot So here I go is my shot. Feet fail me not cuz maybe the only opportunity that I got HOOK

Thugz Mansion, 2Pac

quote: ****, tired of gettin shot at Tired of gettin chased by the police and arrested Niggaz need a spot where WE can kick it A spot where WE belong, that's just for us Niggaz ain't gotta get all dressed up and be Hollywood Y'knahmean? Where do niggaz go when we die? Ain't no heaven for a thug nigga That's why we go to thug mansion That's the only place where thugs get in free and you gotta be a G ... at thug mansion [Verse One] A place to spend my quiet nights, time to unwind So much pressure in this life of mine, I cry at times I once contemplated suicide, and woulda tried But when I held that 9, all I could see was my momma's eyes No one knows my struggle, they only see the trouble Not knowin it's hard to carry on when no one loves you Picture me inside the misery of poverty No man alive has ever witnessed struggles I survived Prayin hard for better days, promise to hold on Me and my dawgs ain't have a choice but to roll on We found a family spot to kick it Where we can drink liquor and no one bickers over trick **** A spot where we can smoke in peace, and even though we G's We still visualize places, that we can roll in peace And in my mind's eye I see this place, the players go in fast I got a spot for us all, so we can ball, at thug's mansion [Chorus: Anthony Hamilton] Ain't no place I'd rather be Children, dead homies and family Sky high, iced out paradise In the skyyyyyyyyyy.. Ain't no place I'd rather be Only place that's right for me Chromed out mansion in paradise In the skyyyyyyyyyy.. [Verse Two] Will I survive all the fights and the darkness? Trouble sparks, they tell me home is where the heart is, dear departed I shed tattooed tears and couldn't sleep good for multiple years, witness peers catch gunshots Nobody cares, seen the politicians ban us They'd rather see us locked in chains, please explain why they can't stand us, is there a way for me to change? Or am I just a victim of things I did to maintain? I need a place to rest my head with the little bit of homeboys that remains, cause all the rest dead Is there a spot for us to roll, if you find it I'll be right behind ya, show me and I'll go How can I be peaceful? I'm comin from the bottom Watch my daddy scream peace while the other man shot him I need a house that's full of love when I need to escape the deadly places slingin drugs, in thug's mansion [Chorus w/ minor ad lib variations] [Verse Three] Dear momma don't cry, your baby boy's doin good Tell the homies I'm in heaven and they ain't got hoods Seen a show with Marvin Gaye last night, it had me shook Drippin peppermint Schnapps, with Jackie Wilson, and Sam Cooke Then some lady named Billie Holiday Sang sittin there kickin it with Malcolm, 'til the day came Little LaTasha sho' grown Tell the lady in the liquor that she's forgiven, so come home Maybe in time you'll understand only God can save us When Miles Davis cuttin lose with the band Just think of all the people that you knew in the past that passed on, they in heaven, found peace at last Picture a place that they exist, together There has to be a place better than this, in heaven So right before I sleep, dear God, what I'm askin Remember this face, save me a place, in thug's mansion [Chorus - repeat 2X (w/ ad libs)]

Intellectuals indeed...

	28-12-2002 12:02									#51
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Asher:

Did you even read the 2pac one?

quote: for multiple years, witness peers catch gunshots Nobody cares, seen the politicians ban us They'd rather see us locked in chains, please explain why they can't stand us, is there a way for me to change? Or am I just a victim of things I did to maintain?

very fitting indeed...

	28-12-2002 12:05									#52
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I have to admit, teens do like 2pac. Must be the melodramatic lyrics filled with violence and other cool stuff.

	28-12-2002 12:07									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Asher: Did you even read the 2pac one? very fitting indeed...

You equate that with being an intellectual?

Being observant doesn't mean you're an intellectual you know.

	28-12-2002 12:11									#54
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Asher:

I'm saying you dismissed him as a violent angsty nut... and he responded to that in the song you mentioned...

	28-12-2002 12:11									#55
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Rap or country. It doesn't matter how profound the lyrics are if I'm bleeding out my ears.

	28-12-2002 12:13									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Asher: I'm saying you dismissed him as a violent angsty nut... and he responded to that in the song you mentioned...

When did I dismiss him as a violent angsty nut?

He is one of the only rap artists I can respect just a little bit, because his lyrics are quite good, but it's still crap music for the most part.

The only song of his I liked is Changes, and that's because the samples worked well.

Still, saying that rap artists are the most intellectual in the music industry is extremely laughable.

	28-12-2002 12:15									#57
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and tinypenis...

Pac did exaggerate some things... i never heard of places having drive-bys every week and ****... but 2pac himself was murdered and experienced an attempted murder which caused his whole morbid lyrics... but his basic concepts are very damn true... he overdid the gangsterism but his basic premise is **** that I and millions of others have experienced...

	28-12-2002 12:23									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer and tinypenis... Pac did exaggerate some things... i never heard of places having drive-bys every week and ****... but 2pac himself was murdered and experienced an attempted murder which caused his whole morbid lyrics... but his basic concepts are very damn true... he overdid the gangsterism but his basic premise is **** that I and millions of others have experienced...

As I have heard it mr.pacman didn't even come from the hood And yes, I knew about how he died, oh the irony

	28-12-2002 12:31									#59
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tiny:

2pac was born in a jail to a Black Panther... he grew up in new york then Baltimore then moved to LA. I doubt he was suburban...

anyway... what about rhymes? Can rockers make 6 syllables rhyme per line? Right here, Changes...

I see no changes all I see is racist faces
misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under I wonder what it takes to make this
one better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right
'cause both black and white is smokin' crack tonight

to rhyme like that and still make coherent sense...

thanks

	28-12-2002 12:37									#60
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Why do you think rock music is based around rhymes like rap is?

It's like asking you to find a rapper which can effectively use 6 guitars each with complemetary riffs in songs or something...