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Jan 2000
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Chris - Yes, that's the weakness of my argument.
However, anonymity of sources by itself isn't automatic grounds for dismissal.
First, this is such a volatile issue that the condition of anonymity is understandable.
Second, there are 10 sources in total, whose statements reasonably support each other.
Third, access to Bagram is restricted, and there is an ongoing US Army investigation on two deaths of prisoners.
So yeah, maybe there should be some questions raised on what's happening.
But of course, they could be all lying.
But now I have a question. In case these accusations turned out to be factual, what would your opinion be?
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Lorizael
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The Cult Wins
Sep 2001
time: 00:24
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Originally posted by Chris 62
At a wedding? |
At a funeral? Different culture. Doesn't make it wrong. And their barbarism in your eyes does not give us the right to **** up and kill them all.
Ned: I'm a hopeless idealist that believes that for most things we do, there is another, much better way in which we could do whatever it is we have tried to do.
Britain and Russia and the United States and Israel all feel (justified or not) that they are fighting for their survival. Because of that they feel they need to do extreme things in order to continue their existence. But in doing so they forget the bigger picture, and execute actions that may help them in the short run, but will be to the detriment of themselves or humanity as a whole in the long run.
I believe there has to be a better way. There has to be some way of creating peace that doesn't involve torture and violence.
And the same goes for the terrorists. They feel threatened and they have a point they wish to make. But instead of actually discussing their grievances or attempting to resolve them peacefully, they immediately just decide that violence is the best answer. It's disgusting that they believe killing others will get their point across, and once again, there has to be a better way.
The only way that I can see this ending peacefully, however, is if someone actually steps up and does the right thing. Someone needs to actually use their power for the benefit of all, and not just for their own selfish (valuing (sp?) the life of you or your people above the lives of others is selfish) reasons.
And who better to do that, than the most powerful country in the world? The United States has the ability to do the right thing. It is a country with amazing potential. It can do amazing good.
The difficult part is determining what the right course of action is. And I don't know the answer. But I do know that simply killing all the terrorists isn't the answer. That doesn't stop people from hating the US. The United States needs to focus more on preventing future people from becoming terrorists, as well as preventing current terrorists from attacking it in the future.
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:24
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Some points, uncomfortable positions held for long periods of time become painful positions, then excrutiatingly painful. Thus, this does meet the criteria of torture. If it didn't hurt, they wouldn't be doing it.
Tha Taliban prisoners should be considered POWs, al-Qaeda should not. I fail to see what useful information these people might have after more than a year in capitivity.
The problem with Iraq isn't that there isn't enough food, but that there isn't safe drinking water in the government controled areas. As long as sanctions remain in place, there is nothing the Iraqi government can do about this.
While Ritter may be considered a crank by many, simply because he opposes the Administrations' position on Iraq, he was in the best position to analyze and evaluate the data coming out of Iraq. His opinion is that Iraq was in compliance, even when he thought they were hiding something. The current Administration has offered little proof that he is wrong. Hussein was correct, as well, that the US was using the inspectors to spy on Iraq, and he was fully justified inexpelling the Americans.
We shouldn't engage in the tactics of the enemy. If we become like them, what is the point in fighting against them?
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:24
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Originally posted by Wernazuma III
Lorizael: The relation between USA and "preventive measures" is limiteds to "preventive use of violence" (like attacking Iraq as a defensive measure).
Looking to the reasons and trying to get to the roots of the problems isn't their strength. Just take a look at the treatment of criminals and the horrendous crime rates. The US move on the issue is extremely severe punishment to "deter" criminals. It works really great, murders are only 10-20 times more frequent than in other countries, the "land of the free" has a higher percentage of its population in prison than any other western democracy (don't know it exactly but probably more than most other states too)...
Never ask for reasons or try resolving by understanding the underlying situation, just hit harder. |
Good analysis of America. If, when speaking to a foreigner he fails to understand you, just speak louder.
On crime in the US, the major problem is lack of "families." How to promote stable families to raise kid is the problem we have to solve. Even if we do have families, we have the problem of working mothers.
I don't really know what is going on at Bagram. If it amount to torture, it should end. This is something Bush should look into.
Che, according to the articles, the al Qaeda are now beginning to talk. What were are discovering is how al Qaeda does things, not current plans.
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Edan
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quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yes, and today he says that he was wrong then. |
funny how he made his 180 degree turn well after having already done his last inspection. So what made him suddenly realize that Iraq was disarmed - telepathy?
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Edan
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Distance and reflection. |
Frankly, I prefer listening to commentary from individuals who have access to the locations as well as those with access to the latest intelligence than those that have been out of the loop. And expecting the Saddam was fully weapons-free iin 98 seems to be counter-intuitive given that he had continually been hiding things in the years of inspections before.
I'll be far more interested in what Blix (and the other inspectors) have to say in one month's time than anything Ritter has to say, even though, imho, blix has been slightly inept (ie, not interviewing scientists outside Iraq, etc).
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Edan
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Defectors have every reason to lie about Hussein's capabilities.
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Defectors, at least some of who's information, from what I understand, was verified (ie, via spy sattelites, etc?).
Frankly, I'll take a defectors information over Saddams pleas of innocence any day.
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