31-12-2002 04:19									#151
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True... but they still might have had a chance for the division crown.

	31-12-2002 04:21									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui All the good young QBs that have come out lately have been 1st or 2nd round: Chad Pennington (1st), Mike Vick (1st), Drew Brees (early 2nd). Tom Brady is the only one that came out later (and IIRC, he was 3rd round), and it is looking like he might be more of a flash in the pan.

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Don't you watch those NFL commercials during the games? They mention Brady specifically.

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	31-12-2002 04:23									#153
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Watch NFL commericals? What are you nuts?!

Ok, so Brady is a 6th rounder, but every other good young QB these days is early rounds.

	31-12-2002 04:36									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Watch NFL commericals? What are you nuts?! Ok, so Brady is a 6th rounder, but every other good young QB these days is early rounds.

What round was Jeff Garcia?
Brett Favre?
Rich Gannon?

For every Donovan McNabb, there is a Cade KcNown.

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	31-12-2002 04:43									#155
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I didn't know that Garcia, Farve, and Gannon were considered 'young' QBs nowadays .

	31-12-2002 04:44									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I didn't know that Garcia, Farve, and Gannon were considered 'young' QBs nowadays .

They were, when they were younger.

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	31-12-2002 04:48									#158
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Oh, and Farve was drafted in the 2nd round. 33rd overall pick.

	31-12-2002 04:53									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Oh, and Farve was drafted in the 2nd round. 33rd overall pick.

Okay, did you actually research that? I know it wasn't on a commercial.

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	31-12-2002 04:55									#160
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Yes... I looked it up... by the Falcons.

	31-12-2002 05:01									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yes... I looked it up... by the Falcons.

I'm just not that dedicated to this argument.



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	31-12-2002 05:11									#162
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Of course a lot of good the Falcons did with him! Oy!

Late round QB steals are diamonds in the rought. No one expects them to start, so it takes a few years before they are 'found'. Not something the Bears can afford.

	31-12-2002 05:50									#163
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Rich Gannon was drafted by the Pats in 1987 in Round 4, 98th pick overall.

	31-12-2002 05:51									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Rich Gannon was drafted by the Pats in 1987 in Round 4, 98th pick overall.

Neither first nor second round, thanks for your help.



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	31-12-2002 06:13									#165
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As I've been saying all along. The Bears need to sign a QUALITY free agent at QB, and then draft a diamond in the rough to learn at the feet of a true master

Any QB we draft in the first round isn't going to be able to start next year anyway.

	31-12-2002 07:22									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Ming As I've been saying all along. The Bears need to sign a QUALITY free agent at QB, and then draft a diamond in the rough to learn at the feet of a true master Any QB we draft in the first round isn't going to be able to start next year anyway.

Chicago couldn't get a good QB in the draft if they put Joe Montana in a wind tunnel.



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	31-12-2002 07:23									#167
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	31-12-2002 07:27									#168
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But he is right sigh...

	31-12-2002 07:49									#169
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I agree with both sides of this argument -- the bears should draft Leftwich if he's there AND sign a quality free agent backup to Miller. (But if McGahee comes out and is there, TAKE THAT STUD. The Penn St. dude, I haven't really seen.) Leftwich has a GUN for an arm and plays hurt. Like that a lot, even if he's not very mobile.

We need impact players on offense. That's all Miller needs to be really effective. Terrell will be back, Booker will be back. It will be a make-or-break season for the A-Train, which is why all our free agency money should go to beef up the line.

The Bears are currently $1.5MM under the cap, before dumping dead wood like Marcus Robinson. And the cap will go up $3 - 5 MM.

The defense will come around through better health. But until we get some serious playmakers on offense, we'll be spending all our time praying to hang onto 6-point leads in the 4th quarter.

If no Leftwich, I like the kids from Iowa and Iowa State. NOT Ragone from Louisville or simms from Texas. Losers. Will Eli Manning be coming out? he looked great in his bowl game.

One last note: I'm really amused by the QB comparisons via fantasy stats. (Chandler-Miller and Bledsoe-Brady both earlier in this thread).
Get serious! it's about team leadership and execution under fire, not completion percentages and QB ratings.

	31-12-2002 08:04									#170
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What about Kingsbury at Texas Tech, he might be a decent middle round pick.


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	31-12-2002 08:21									#171
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McGahee would be stupid to come out now. He's on a team with the power to be a perennial national champion. Why not bask in the glow and get even better than he is now?

	31-12-2002 08:23									#172
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quote: Originally posted by reismark McGahee would be stupid to come out now. He's on a team with the power to be a perennial national champion. Why not bask in the glow and get even better than he is now?

Tell that to Rookie Of The Year, Clinton Portis.


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	31-12-2002 08:27									#173
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Hmmm... play for honor and pride... or take the money...

TAKE THE MONEY!

	31-12-2002 09:13									#174
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quote: Originally posted by reismark McGahee would be stupid to come out now. He's on a team with the power to be a perennial national champion.

Option A: enter the NFL draft, get picked in the top 5, get huge immediate signing bonus and 4-6 year multimillion $$ contract.

Option B: stay in school another year, play football and risk career-ending injury before seeing a dime.

quote: Why not bask in the glow and get even better than he is now?

Heck, even if he becomes a better player, it doesn't mean he'll be drafted higher. Plus, he loses a year of earning power while risking something silly happening.

Get serious, reismark.

	31-12-2002 23:45									#175
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quote: The Bears need to sign a QUALITY free agent at QB

Ah, but that's the problem... which quality FA QBs are out there and will the Bears offer enough money?

	01-01-2003 00:21									#176
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You never know with the situation in St Louis... And unlike some of the other sports franchises in Chicago, the Bears have always been willing to spend the money. The only problem has been, they don't seem to know how to spend it right

	01-01-2003 00:22									#177
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Very true... but what if Bulger turns out to be a Rob Johnson. Great one year, and then everyone figures him out the next?

	01-01-2003 00:25									#178
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I'm willing to take that chance. At least he can throw a frozen rope pass more than 20 yards. That would be a step up on our current situation.

	01-01-2003 00:27									#179
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Have you SEEN Rob Johnson lately Ming?

	01-01-2003 00:28									#180
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Have you seen Miller, Chandler, and Burris Lately